Today [2]

[tom982]

My week just got so much worse:

Before I reinstalled Windows, I moved all of my music and films onto my external HDD, then I installed Windows and I went to copy it back and about 350GB (out of 500GB) of the stuff says that I don't have permission to move the files. I can't even open the folder, I don't even have permission view the permissions! Its ridiculous. I haven't been this angry in a while and I can't afford to lose these files, I don't have many of the originals (CDs and DVDs) so I can't re-rip them. I've tried doing it with the hidden admin account but to no avail. I've even tried with a Ubuntu live CD with the:

chmod -R 777 /media/Backup

Even that didn't sort it! What the hecks happening here? I don't think its hardware and there isn't a chance in hell that I've got a virus because I just did a clean install (with a format with B&N).

HELP ME!

Tom

 

[MrNeeds]

My week just got so much worse:

Before I reinstalled Windows, I moved all of my music and films onto my external HDD, then I installed Windows and I went to copy it back and about 350GB (out of 500GB) of the stuff says that I don't have permission to move the files. I can't even open the folder, I don't even have permission view the permissions! Its ridiculous. I haven't been this angry in a while and I can't afford to lose these files, I don't have many of the originals (CDs and DVDs) so I can't re-rip them. I've tried doing it with the hidden admin account but to no avail. I've even tried with a Ubuntu live CD with the:

chmod -R 777 /media/Backup

Even that didn't sort it! What the hecks happening here? I don't think its hardware and there isn't a chance in hell that I've got a virus because I just did a clean install (with a format with B&N).

HELP ME!

Tom

the attached file might help you Tom

 

[Shadowjk]

Today i am going to school again ... I think i spend too much time there

Sent from htc

 

[tom982]

the attached file might help you Tom

I don't have the permissions to open the file with that program

A friend of mine says he can do it with VSS so he's going to have a go tomorrow Something to do with copying the files without their permissions I think.

Tom

 

[niemiro]

the attached file might help you Tom

I don't have the permissions to open the file with that program

A friend of mine says he can do it with VSS so he's going to have a go tomorrow Something to do with copying the files without their permissions I think.

Tom

I do not see why that it necessary...at all. VSS stands for Volume Shadow Copy Service (yes, I know that literally compacts to VSCS, but it actually compacts to VSS - which does of course also stand for Visual Studio Safestore)

...which basically involved copying files out of the System Restore cache. I know all about VSS. My programs use it. They use it to automatically source replacement files for deleted and corrupted system files (Taps nose. This auto-SFC corruption and Windows Update Error fixer program is still very much in development) just as certain Malware Removal tools do. And just as Hobocopy uses to copy in use files, and how Shadow Explorer works.

I have written code to use it, and so know all about it. Anyway, I really do not think that it is necessary.

The permissions on those files (or just the base folder, in theory) were set to allow user TOM (or whatever) access. Your new Account Name may still be the same (TOM) but your extended account name (SID) has changed, and so you are now locked out.

However, you are also an admin on your new installation (just for interest, normal admins are different from the Administrator Account in that they are split token users, that is to say that they hold two Access Tokens (one admin, and one standard, to use as required) whereas the Administrator account only has an admin Access Token) which allows you to change permissions.

So you may not yet have the right to access those folders, but as an admin you have the right to grant yourself access.

• Navigate to the base folder and right click on it and select Properties.
• Under the Security tab, click Advanced.
• Under the Owner tab, click Edit.
• Click "Other Users and Groups".
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK THREE times.
• Click on the Permissions tab.
• Under type Deny, single click on it and click Remove.
• Click OK.
• Click Edit (now on the standard file Property window under the Security tab).
• Click Add.
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK.
• Single click on Everyone and then tick the "Full Control" box under Allow.
• Click OK TWO times.

If this gives you access, as I very much think that it will, we can work on automation of the rest. Please just test on the base folder.

Thanks a lot!

Richard

 

[tom982]

the attached file might help you Tom

I don't have the permissions to open the file with that program

A friend of mine says he can do it with VSS so he's going to have a go tomorrow Something to do with copying the files without their permissions I think.

Tom

I do not see why that it necessary...at all. VSS stands for Volume Shadow Copy Service (yes, I know that literally compacts to VSCS, but it actually compacts to VSS - which does of course also stand for Visual Studio Safestore)

...which basically involved copying files out of the System Restore cache. I know all about VSS. My programs use it. They use it to automatically source replacement files for deleted and corrupted system files (Taps nose. This auto-SFC corruption and Windows Update Error fixer program is still very much in development) just as certain Malware Removal tools do. And just as Hobocopy uses to copy in use files, and how Shadow Explorer works.

I have written code to use it, and so know all about it. Anyway, I really do not think that it is necessary.

The permissions on those files (or just the base folder, in theory) were set to allow user TOM (or whatever) access. Your new Account Name may still be the same (TOM) but your extended account name (SID) has changed, and so you are now locked out.

However, you are also an admin on your new installation (just for interest, normal admins are different from the Administrator Account in that they are split token users, that is to say that they hold two Access Tokens (one admin, and one standard, to use as required) whereas the Administrator account only has an admin Access Token) which allows you to change permissions.

So you may not yet have the right to access those folders, but as an admin you have the right to grant yourself access.

• Navigate to the base folder and right click on it and select Properties.
• Under the Security tab, click Advanced.
• Under the Owner tab, click Edit.
• Click "Other Users and Groups".
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK THREE times.
• Click on the Permissions tab.
• Under type Deny, single click on it and click Remove.
• Click OK.
• Click Edit (now on the standard file Property window under the Security tab).
• Click Add.
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK.
• Single click on Everyone and then tick the "Full Control" box under Allow.
• Click OK TWO times.

If this gives you access, as I very much think that it will, we can work on automation of the rest. Please just test on the base folder.

Thanks a lot!

Richard

Thanks for your help Rich But that didn't work, when I opened the security tab it said I didn't have the permissions to view the permissions This was under the hidden admin account and in my admin account.

With the help of a friend, the problem has no been resolved For anyone who has come across this thread who had the same problem as me do these steps:

Open explorer and hold shift and right click on the drive, then press W

When command prompt opens, type:

takeown /f * /r
takeown /f * /r /d Y /A

In explorer click empty space in the drive and select properties. Then go to the security tab and select advanced, then change permissions then tick the "Replace all child...." box and click apply.




Problem solved

Tom

 

[kesume]

Happy you were able to get things back up and running Tom, well done.

 

[MWRed]

A whole day from hell...glad i'm home, and the sun is out.

 

[niemiro]

I don't have the permissions to open the file with that program

A friend of mine says he can do it with VSS so he's going to have a go tomorrow Something to do with copying the files without their permissions I think.

Tom

I do not see why that it necessary...at all. VSS stands for Volume Shadow Copy Service (yes, I know that literally compacts to VSCS, but it actually compacts to VSS - which does of course also stand for Visual Studio Safestore)

...which basically involved copying files out of the System Restore cache. I know all about VSS. My programs use it. They use it to automatically source replacement files for deleted and corrupted system files (Taps nose. This auto-SFC corruption and Windows Update Error fixer program is still very much in development) just as certain Malware Removal tools do. And just as Hobocopy uses to copy in use files, and how Shadow Explorer works.

I have written code to use it, and so know all about it. Anyway, I really do not think that it is necessary.

The permissions on those files (or just the base folder, in theory) were set to allow user TOM (or whatever) access. Your new Account Name may still be the same (TOM) but your extended account name (SID) has changed, and so you are now locked out.

However, you are also an admin on your new installation (just for interest, normal admins are different from the Administrator Account in that they are split token users, that is to say that they hold two Access Tokens (one admin, and one standard, to use as required) whereas the Administrator account only has an admin Access Token) which allows you to change permissions.

So you may not yet have the right to access those folders, but as an admin you have the right to grant yourself access.

• Navigate to the base folder and right click on it and select Properties.
• Under the Security tab, click Advanced.
• Under the Owner tab, click Edit.
• Click "Other Users and Groups".
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK THREE times.
• Click on the Permissions tab.
• Under type Deny, single click on it and click Remove.
• Click OK.
• Click Edit (now on the standard file Property window under the Security tab).
• Click Add.
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK.
• Single click on Everyone and then tick the "Full Control" box under Allow.
• Click OK TWO times.

If this gives you access, as I very much think that it will, we can work on automation of the rest. Please just test on the base folder.

Thanks a lot!

Richard

Thanks for your help Rich But that didn't work, when I opened the security tab it said I didn't have the permissions to view the permissions This was under the hidden admin account and in my admin account.

With the help of a friend, the problem has no been resolved For anyone who has come across this thread who had the same problem as me do these steps:

Open explorer and hold shift and right click on the drive, then press W

When command prompt opens, type:

takeown /f * /r
takeown /f * /r /d Y /A

In explorer click empty space in the drive and select properties. Then go to the security tab and select advanced, then change permissions then tick the "Replace all child...." box and click apply.




Problem solved

Tom

Good day to you, Tom!

I am really glad that you have fixed the issue, and it has been an excellent learning experience for you, but let me see if I can teach you something else. You see, your friend's method was slightly OTT, and completely unnecessary. My instructions would have worked perfectly well, you just didn't understand them. Allow me to explain:

1: You can only modify permissions if you can see them.

2: You CANNOT even view permissions if you are NOT the owner.

3: As an admin of your computer, you can ALWAYS change the ownership of files and folders.

Therefore, as an admin, you always have the right to change ownership. You will therefore open the base folder with permissions problems, and you will NOT be able to view permissions. However, change the ownership to yourself, break point two above, now be able to view permissions, and hence change them.

Your friend used the Command Prompt to take ownership, breaking point 2 above, and then you could change permissions.




You did not follow my instructions! You saw the message about not being able to even view permissions, and quit. However, now view my instructions again:

• Navigate to the base folder and right click on it and select Properties.
• Under the Security tab, click Advanced.
• Under the Owner tab, click Edit.
• Click "Other Users and Groups".
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK THREE times.
• Click on the Permissions tab.
• Under type Deny, single click on it and click Remove.
• Click OK.
• Click Edit (now on the standard file Property window under the Security tab).
• Click Add.
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK.
• Single click on Everyone and then tick the "Full Control" box under Allow.
• Click OK TWO times.

On the Security Tab, the one with that error message, you just quit. However, neither the Edit not Advanced buttons were greyed out. I did NOT tell you to click on EDIT, which would have been useless. I told you to click on Advanced. From there, my VERY first instruction was to change the Ownership.

On just my third line: "Under the Owner tab, click Edit."

I told you to edit the ownership, which would have shown you the permissions, because I knew about your error.

Am I correct? I very much think that I am (and anyway, your friend's mix and match of both Command Prompt (to change ownership, and be able to view permissions in Explorer) and then using Explorer (to modify permissions) just seemed messy to me hence my "slightly OTT, and completely unnecessary")

Correct me if you really think that I am wrong, I may well be, but I really think that I am right. Did you really push my instructions as hard as possible, ignoring any errors as long as the button I told you to push worked? They have NEVER failed anyone before now!

I should have made that clearer.

Richard

P.S. Over the weekend, I shall prove this, and really lock down a folder, zip it up, and you can gain access via my instructions.

 

[tom982]

I do not see why that it necessary...at all. VSS stands for Volume Shadow Copy Service (yes, I know that literally compacts to VSCS, but it actually compacts to VSS - which does of course also stand for Visual Studio Safestore)

...which basically involved copying files out of the System Restore cache. I know all about VSS. My programs use it. They use it to automatically source replacement files for deleted and corrupted system files (Taps nose. This auto-SFC corruption and Windows Update Error fixer program is still very much in development) just as certain Malware Removal tools do. And just as Hobocopy uses to copy in use files, and how Shadow Explorer works.

I have written code to use it, and so know all about it. Anyway, I really do not think that it is necessary.

The permissions on those files (or just the base folder, in theory) were set to allow user TOM (or whatever) access. Your new Account Name may still be the same (TOM) but your extended account name (SID) has changed, and so you are now locked out.

However, you are also an admin on your new installation (just for interest, normal admins are different from the Administrator Account in that they are split token users, that is to say that they hold two Access Tokens (one admin, and one standard, to use as required) whereas the Administrator account only has an admin Access Token) which allows you to change permissions.

So you may not yet have the right to access those folders, but as an admin you have the right to grant yourself access.

• Navigate to the base folder and right click on it and select Properties.
• Under the Security tab, click Advanced.
• Under the Owner tab, click Edit.
• Click "Other Users and Groups".
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK THREE times.
• Click on the Permissions tab.
• Under type Deny, single click on it and click Remove.
• Click OK.
• Click Edit (now on the standard file Property window under the Security tab).
• Click Add.
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK.
• Single click on Everyone and then tick the "Full Control" box under Allow.
• Click OK TWO times.

If this gives you access, as I very much think that it will, we can work on automation of the rest. Please just test on the base folder.

Thanks a lot!

Richard

Thanks for your help Rich But that didn't work, when I opened the security tab it said I didn't have the permissions to view the permissions This was under the hidden admin account and in my admin account.

With the help of a friend, the problem has no been resolved For anyone who has come across this thread who had the same problem as me do these steps:

Open explorer and hold shift and right click on the drive, then press W

When command prompt opens, type:

takeown /f * /r
takeown /f * /r /d Y /A

In explorer click empty space in the drive and select properties. Then go to the security tab and select advanced, then change permissions then tick the "Replace all child...." box and click apply.




Problem solved

Tom

Good day to you, Tom!

I am really glad that you have fixed the issue, and it has been an excellent learning experience for you, but let me see if I can teach you something else. You see, your friend's method was slightly OTT, and completely unnecessary. My instructions would have worked perfectly well, you just didn't understand them. Allow me to explain:

1: You can only modify permissions if you can see them.

2: You CANNOT even view permissions if you are NOT the owner.

3: As an admin of your computer, you can ALWAYS change the ownership of files and folders.

Therefore, as an admin, you always have the right to change ownership. You will therefore open the base folder with permissions problems, and you will NOT be able to view permissions. However, change the ownership to yourself, break point two above, now be able to view permissions, and hence change them.

Your friend used the Command Prompt to take ownership, breaking point 2 above, and then you could change permissions.




You did not follow my instructions! You saw the message about not being able to even view permissions, and quit. However, now view my instructions again:

• Navigate to the base folder and right click on it and select Properties.
• Under the Security tab, click Advanced.
• Under the Owner tab, click Edit.
• Click "Other Users and Groups".
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK THREE times.
• Click on the Permissions tab.
• Under type Deny, single click on it and click Remove.
• Click OK.
• Click Edit (now on the standard file Property window under the Security tab).
• Click Add.
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK.
• Single click on Everyone and then tick the "Full Control" box under Allow.
• Click OK TWO times.

On the Security Tab, the one with that error message, you just quit. However, neither the Edit not Advanced buttons were greyed out. I did NOT tell you to click on EDIT, which would have been useless. I told you to click on Advanced. From there, my VERY first instruction was to change the Ownership.

On just my third line: "Under the Owner tab, click Edit."

I told you to edit the ownership, which would have shown you the permissions, because I knew about your error.

Am I correct? I very much think that I am (and anyway, your friend's mix and match of both Command Prompt (to change ownership, and be able to view permissions in Explorer) and then using Explorer (to modify permissions) just seemed messy to me hence my "slightly OTT, and completely unnecessary")

Correct me if you really think that I am wrong, I may well be, but I really think that I am right. Did you really push my instructions as hard as possible, ignoring any errors as long as the button I told you to push worked? They have NEVER failed anyone before now!

I should have made that clearer.

Richard

P.S. Over the weekend, I shall prove this, and really lock down a folder, zip it up, and you can gain access via my instructions.

Sorry that was entirely my mistake! I should have read your instructions more clearly.

Yes you are of course right there and I can do it your way aswell now You're also right about it being a bit OTT and thank you because I now know how to do it with ease if the problem ever arises again

Tom

 

[niemiro]

Thanks for your help Rich But that didn't work, when I opened the security tab it said I didn't have the permissions to view the permissions This was under the hidden admin account and in my admin account.

With the help of a friend, the problem has no been resolved For anyone who has come across this thread who had the same problem as me do these steps:

Open explorer and hold shift and right click on the drive, then press W

When command prompt opens, type:

takeown /f * /r
takeown /f * /r /d Y /A

In explorer click empty space in the drive and select properties. Then go to the security tab and select advanced, then change permissions then tick the "Replace all child...." box and click apply.




Problem solved

Tom

Good day to you, Tom!

I am really glad that you have fixed the issue, and it has been an excellent learning experience for you, but let me see if I can teach you something else. You see, your friend's method was slightly OTT, and completely unnecessary. My instructions would have worked perfectly well, you just didn't understand them. Allow me to explain:

1: You can only modify permissions if you can see them.

2: You CANNOT even view permissions if you are NOT the owner.

3: As an admin of your computer, you can ALWAYS change the ownership of files and folders.

Therefore, as an admin, you always have the right to change ownership. You will therefore open the base folder with permissions problems, and you will NOT be able to view permissions. However, change the ownership to yourself, break point two above, now be able to view permissions, and hence change them.

Your friend used the Command Prompt to take ownership, breaking point 2 above, and then you could change permissions.




You did not follow my instructions! You saw the message about not being able to even view permissions, and quit. However, now view my instructions again:

• Navigate to the base folder and right click on it and select Properties.
• Under the Security tab, click Advanced.
• Under the Owner tab, click Edit.
• Click "Other Users and Groups".
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK THREE times.
• Click on the Permissions tab.
• Under type Deny, single click on it and click Remove.
• Click OK.
• Click Edit (now on the standard file Property window under the Security tab).
• Click Add.
• Click Advanced.
• Click "Find Now".
• Scroll down and double click on Everyone.
• Click OK.
• Single click on Everyone and then tick the "Full Control" box under Allow.
• Click OK TWO times.

On the Security Tab, the one with that error message, you just quit. However, neither the Edit not Advanced buttons were greyed out. I did NOT tell you to click on EDIT, which would have been useless. I told you to click on Advanced. From there, my VERY first instruction was to change the Ownership.

On just my third line: "Under the Owner tab, click Edit."

I told you to edit the ownership, which would have shown you the permissions, because I knew about your error.

Am I correct? I very much think that I am (and anyway, your friend's mix and match of both Command Prompt (to change ownership, and be able to view permissions in Explorer) and then using Explorer (to modify permissions) just seemed messy to me hence my "slightly OTT, and completely unnecessary")

Correct me if you really think that I am wrong, I may well be, but I really think that I am right. Did you really push my instructions as hard as possible, ignoring any errors as long as the button I told you to push worked? They have NEVER failed anyone before now!

I should have made that clearer.

Richard

P.S. Over the weekend, I shall prove this, and really lock down a folder, zip it up, and you can gain access via my instructions.

Sorry that was entirely my mistake! I should have read your instructions more clearly.

Yes you are of course right there and I can do it your way aswell now You're also right about it being a bit OTT and thank you because I now know how to do it with ease if the problem ever arises again

Tom

No probs. I was just hoping that I was right, and you weren't the victim of something strange.

However, I have moved on. I am trying to fathom out if there are any hacks which can be performed via VSS. My VSS operations actually require Admin privileges.

But here are a few things which I am going to try to fathom out in order to solve this:

1) If I can completely block an admin from changing permissions on a file. Is there a way I could block him from accessing the Security Tab in which he has no way of subverting. I think that blocking the Security Tab is the only way.

2) What, if anything in VSS can be done without admin privileges.

3) How well are permissions and settings stored in VSS. Could I subvert them.

4) Could I use the normal System Restore to undo changes blocking subversion of the above.

I really don't know! Yet another project for me to do! I honestly have enough projects to keep me occupied for....hmmmm....probably about six months of solid work. Certainly far more than I could do over a summer holiday.

I shall be back soon!

Richard

 

[MWRed]

Today, drove through a hailstorm, work sucked, it was humid as all hell out. But it all got better when I went to the gas station and won $1000.

 

[kesume]

Good for you MW.
Party time.

 

[Smurfyy]

Today,
It's a usual Sunday, pretty boring.
Since my last PC upgrade I've added another fan, not sure on the size, but I think it's about 50-60mm. It's cable tied onto one of the vents, it looks ugly but it works lol.

Atm I'm watching Apollo 13, great film.
All my exams start Tuesday so yeah
Just noticed a little problem with my netbook screen, it looks like the ribbon cable for the screen right on the hinge. Seems to be when I shut the screen and when I put pressure on the hinge. If it gets too annoying I think the cables don't cost that much from eBay, and this netbook is so easy to take apart.
Then again, it might just be cheaper to buy a new netbook. Lol.

 

[niemiro]

School assembly completely collapsed today. Several year groups are going on Study Leave tomorrow, and someone from the Upper Sixth decided that everyone needed a distraction!

He decided that that distraction should come by activating a Rape Alarm in Assembly, and then lobbing it over the heads of the lower years in front of him.

All went according to plan, and the Rape Alarm turned out not to have an Off button!

Apart from a really angry headmaster (maybe because the school was being inspected today (not by Ofstead fortunately, only the board of governors)), and the inability of anyone to stop laughing, even after a group of teachers eventually traced and removed the device, it was quite nicely done!

 

[Smurfyy]

Lmao, that sounds amazing! Bet it was a laugh watching the teachers trying to find the alarm!

Today it was a pretty normal Monday at school. No exams, but I do have 2 tomorrow; Philosophy 1 and 2, I really don't like the philosophy exams because you have to state one side of the argument, then the other, then argue with yourself! Hopefully I should do okay though, and get better than that F I got a few month back.

Also had some good news with my Apprenticeships. Have been offered one in IT and one in Aircraft, like Aerospace. The Aero one I'm really happy with; I was selected to be one of the 12 out of the hundreds that applied. That was a real confidence boost for me since I'd been having some problems and stuff, so yeah
Really don't want to let the Aerospace one go unless I really have to.
Also, me and a mate have like lost contact again, not the first time, idk what I've done now, but no replies to texts or calls, so idk, I'll let it sort it's self out, that's what I done last time and it fixed it.

 

[tom982]

@Rich, that sounds hilarious
@Danny, congratulations on getting your apprenticeship! Hope it all goes well for you. Aerospace is a very keen interest of mine, I've been to loads of airshows etc and if I didn't have my heart set on medicine, that's what I would do.

Can't you do IT in aerospace like this

 

[niemiro]

It was indeed very funny! I was standing quite close to the device, and for some reason, the teachers accused everyone near to the device of hampering the investigation...and dare they mention it, maybe even hiding it. No comment. Some third year did hide it for a while! lol.

 

[Smurfyy]

@Tom, thanks mate, that pic made my laugh, but yes, would be awesome if I could do them both!
@Richard, If we had a whole school I imagine something like that would happen here too, I remember someone in a lower thought it would be funny to set the fire alarms off while there was an exam going on, the whole fire service for Canvey was called down to the school but there was no fire, lol. I think the student and his mates were really punished for it, but they should be!

 

[The Howling Wolves]

A bunch of us took Music teacher's Volkswagen and stuck it between two trees.
When he came out of class to go home he was fuming.
Those were the good old days........The days we didn't get caught.