mac vs pc

[kiddieboy12]

that.....doesnt really help, but great life lesson
not great on self esteem

 

[smarteyeball]

Life lessons are often accompanied by a blow to self esteem

 

[l)ark_Scorpion]

favorite pupil
family friends GRrrr..

Unfortunately bias is just part of life.

So this class has not only taught you how to formulate a persuasive argument, you've also learnt that sometimes no matter how truth is delivered, you will not succeed.

Agreed

 

[Katokato]

who couldve known that a thread started on vista forums will teach us something about life!

i hate macs but i dont really have anything against the Iphone.

And one more question...
the whole point why we dont like macs is because of their commercials, and all the bashing of microsoft right?

and also one more question:
who actually started the GUI mouse and windows thing?

 

[l)ark_Scorpion]

Mac is a failure company for the following reasons.

• Rip people off
• HORRIBLE support
• Garbage hardware wrapped in pretty shells
• Horrible Operating System that locks up all the time
• No software made for their OS (Yes it's their fault. They are too expensive to afford unless you are rich.)
• Finally, they rip people off. Oh I said that twice. hehe

 

[Katokato]

But really, who developed the mouse and windows and clicking gui thing?

 

[osholt]

Mac is a failure company for the following reasons.

• Rip people off
• HORRIBLE support
• Garbage hardware wrapped in pretty shells
• Horrible Operating System that locks up all the time
• No software made for their OS (Yes it's their fault. They are too expensive to afford unless you are rich.)
• Finally, they rip people off. Oh I said that twice. hehe

I'm sorry but that is just a load of baloney.
In terms of price I agree, they're more expensive but everything else on there is either complete single mindedness or infact a lie.

Apple have the best rated Customer support of ANY computer manufacturer, fact; look it up.
The hardware is not garbage, virtually EVERYTHING inside a Mac is made by the same people who make PC hardware and Apple don't cut corners with it either, it's the same sort of hardware you'd find in a hardcore gaming laptop.
Mac OS X is in many ways more elegant in it's design than Windows, just because Apple put more time into asphetics than Microsoft and have you ever heard of a Mac having a BSOD? I certainly haven't. I've had a Mac for two years, no problems what so ever. Windows Vista/Seven over the last two years has just been problem after set back after compromise after BSOD.
There is plenty of software available for Mac, you have all the industry standard stuff, you've got all your nice (and much more elegant) open source stuff, you've got all your nice Photo and Video editing programs that are Mac only.... oh and did I forget you can run any Windows app on Mac using Virtual Box, Wine or Boot Camp (so overall more software runs on Mac than on Windows).

I have nothing against Windows, I use it about 50% of the time, but I do have a lot against narrow minded individuals who say Macs are awful just because they're different (I'm sorry to have to liken it to this but it Computer Racism).

Now I suggest we leave it at this and stop this getting out of hand.

Oli

 

[l)ark_Scorpion]

Oli, I had an iPod nano for 9 months. The battery took a crap in it. They wanted me to pay $65 for the service, and they told me the new battery OR shipping was not included. They told me my warranty was up... When I bought it BRAND new from Walmart... You call that good support?

 

[MWRed]

Oli, I had an iPod nano for 9 months. The battery took a crap in it. They wanted me to pay $65 for the service, and they told me the new battery OR shipping was not included. They told me my warranty was up... When I bought it BRAND new from Walmart... You call that good support?

That's exactly why I bought a cheap Ipod clone last year. Same size, does basically the same things, and for what I use it for, it works. If it takes a crap, i'm out $22, not $150-$300.

 

[smarteyeball]

who actually started the GUI mouse and windows thing?

Apple was the first to make the GUI+Mouse commercially viable with the original machintosh released in 1984.

However Steve Jobs took his inspiration from the Xerox Alto:

Xerox Alto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Douglas Engelbart from Standford university was the original creator of the mouse, which was unenvied in 1968 and was called the X-Y Position Indicator.

Basically, everything seen in computing today was either 'borrowed' or 'inspired' by someone else.

the whole point why we dont like macs is because of their commercials, and all the bashing of microsoft right?

Since I simply haven't spent enough time using Mac Operating Systems, I refuse to make general statements regarding their usability.

However, I do very much dislike Apples business model and the way Apple products are marketed. Personally I find MS tactics to be a little less irritating and not many buy a MS product merely because it's the 'in' thing.

The whole argument that Windows just Blue Screens, while Macs 'just work' is tired, boring and erroneous.

The main reasons Windows users experience more Blue Screens is because they have a much larger user base as well as a plethora of available 3rd party applications and devices available to them, compared to the much more restricted Mac based machines. I've heard of plenty of people who's Macs just 'don't' work, while Windows based machines 'just do'. To blame a MS for some 3rd parties error, is a little silly. Windows is far from perfect itself, but quite often the blame is misplaced.


I also don't really like Apple software on Windows ( I hate iTunes with a passion )

The cost aspect is irrelevant to me as I don't buy pre-built machines and to be fair, even some of the higher end Dells, Hewlett Packards etc PC's, are just as overpriced as most Mac products.

Essentially, an Apple product itself is fine, it's everything else that goes with it that taints my view of Apple.

 

[osholt]

who actually started the GUI mouse and windows thing?

Apple was the first to make the GUI+Mouse commercially viable with the original machintosh released in 1984.

However Steve Jobs took his inspiration from the Xerox Alto:

Xerox Alto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Douglas Engelbart from Standford university was the original creator of the mouse, which was unenvied in 1968 and was called the X-Y Position Indicator.

Basically, everything seen in computing today was either 'borrowed' or 'inspired' by someone else.

the whole point why we dont like macs is because of their commercials, and all the bashing of microsoft right?

Since I simply haven't spent enough time using Mac Operating Systems, I refuse to make general statements regarding their usability.

However, I do very much dislike Apples business model and the way Apple products are marketed. Personally I find MS tactics to be a little less irritating and not many buy a MS product merely because it's the 'in' thing.

The whole argument that Windows just Blue Screens, while Macs 'just work' is tired, boring and erroneous.

The main reasons Windows users experience more Blue Screens is because they have a much larger user base as well as a plethora of available 3rd party applications and devices available to them, compared to the much more restricted Mac based machines. I've heard of plenty of people who's Macs just 'don't' work, while Windows based machines 'just do'. To blame a MS for some 3rd parties error, is a little silly. Windows is far from perfect itself, but quite often the blame is misplaced.


I also don't really like Apple software on Windows ( I hate iTunes with a passion )

The cost aspect is irrelevant to me as I don't buy pre-built machines and to be fair, even some of the higher end Dells, Hewlett Packards etc PC's, are just as overpriced as most Mac products.

Essentially, an Apple product itself is fine, it's everything else that goes with it that taints my view of Apple.

Fair enough, it's your opinion, I won't comment on it.

Now can EVERYONE please agree to disagree; this thread has turned from a simple 'Pros and Cons' thread into a full out unconstructive 'reasons why I hate...' thread. This sort of thread is not usefull and just causes unecasairy heated arguments.

I recommend, as has been said before, that we close this thread before things get even further out of hand.

Oli

 

[smarteyeball]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing. Plus, I'm far from heated - not even lukewarm

My post was part factual and part opinion.

The original need for 'Pros and Cons' has since been met and since this is the chillout room, the ebb and flow of a threads natural transiency from on topic to off has occurred, that's all

 

[Katokato]

Well, this is a windows forum, youd expect people to dislike the apple marketing and commercial strategy about how they just advertise their opponent's failures,

 

[osholt]

Well, this is a windows forum, youd expect people to dislike the apple marketing and commercial strategy about how they just advertise their opponent's failures,

Yes, I would but I'd also expect them to have the higher moral ground and keep that dislike to them selves and not hurl it back at them.

Oli

 

[Katokato]

Alright.

 

[smarteyeball]

Yes, I would but I'd also expect them to have the higher moral ground and keep that dislike to them selves and not hurl it back at them.

Who exactly is hurling?

 

[Thedarkside]

Well, this is a windows forum, youd expect people to dislike the apple marketing and commercial strategy about how they just advertise their opponent's failures,

Windows failures? What about apples failures? like there inability to grasp more then 10% of the market... sounds like a successful company to me

In all fairness im refering to the computer market, not iphones and ipods and what not. But with that being said, even the iphone is now showing its age compared to some of HTC's sexy new phones (both windows and android based). Watch our apple! there is a new bad boy on the block! Be curious to see how apples iphone replacment will stack up to the competition.

About the gui, mouse thing.. what about all the innovations and technologies that have come out that we and apple for that matter, can thank microsoft for.

@osholt, threads like this are meant for debates, there is nothing wrong with posting your opinions within reason. Again instead of pointing out whats good about a mac (just like apple) you critisize the PC supporters. Not trying to be rude, thats just how i see it.

 

[Katokato]

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[Katokato]

About the gui, mouse thing.. what about all the innovations and technologies that have come out that we and apple for that matter, can thank microsoft for.

What innovations?

It doesnt sound like it, but im on microsofts side, i just want to get facts straight.

 

[kiddieboy12]

dam..Did i just spark the 3rd mafia war???
OR LA riot (reloaded)??
LOL just kidding, keep debating, just shows how stubborn some people are.