Why, Exactly, Does Everyone "Hate" Vista?

I would love to know how u got Ultimate to run dzom. I just couldn't for the life of me get vista to run correctly on 64 bit settings. I made sure everything was vista certified, I just get not responding from programs then they come back. XP i am not getting these issues. If all my drivers load and if it works in XP and its all Vista certified Its gotta be a bug in vista itself. For my case atleast.


I wish I could give you some concrete advice, but all I did was boot from the Vista x64 DVD, then re-partitioned my harddisk and installed it. From there I downloaded and installed the x64 drivers for my hardware, as required.

As for the lockups you're experiencing, have you downloaded the correct Vista x64 drivers for your hardware from the manufacturer website? And have you completed a full Windows Update?
 

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did it all. Checked current drivers everything I could find. It just locks up to high hell I got frustrated and switched back to XP. I am going to give it another go but like i said with a dual boot so if it doesn't work all wont be lost I can just un-partition the drive the space.
 

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Case in point: You drive a 60's style VW Beatle, and are considering buying the newer one. Do you blindly buy the new style Beatle and hope that the accessories of your old car will work, or do you check them first? Chances are you check first before buying the new style Beatle.

Why should getting a new OS be any different?

It's funny....I do a lot of research before buying almost any product because I want to ensure that I'm getting my money's worth and that it'll perform as advertised.

Except computers. For some reason, I expect computer and software sellers to sell me a product that's ready to go off the shelf. I think maybe the reason I don't do prior research on computers before buying is that I'm not that knowledgeable about their operation and don't wanna take the time to learn.

I agonized a bit over the decision to buy a Vista computer since I knew it was a new OS and there were bound to be bugs. (and sure as heck, there was). I came very close to buying a new one with the XP system since I was familiar with its operation and knew most of the bugs had been eliminated. But I figured what the hell, XP is probably being phased out and Microsoft will no longer issue software and driver updates so I might as well go with their new system.
 
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It's funny....I do a lot of research before buying almost any product because I want to ensure that I'm getting my money's worth and that it'll perform as advertised.

That's always a good thing.

Except computers. For some reason, I expect computer and software sellers to sell me a product that's ready to go off the shelf. I think maybe the reason I don't do prior research on computers before buying is that I'm not that knowledgeable about their operation and don't wanna take the time to learn.

This is a very common scenario that I encounter all the time. Many people that I encounter in the line of duty claim that they don't know enough about computer to be able to make an informed decision. That's not a valid excuse.

Staying with the analogy of buying a car: When you purchase a new car, you'll want to know beforehand what kind of mileage you can get, what kind of warranty and service plan is included, availability of parts, etc. But are you a qualified auto mechanic that knows how a car works, or are you just a "normal" driver that doesn't know the inner workings of an automobile?

Why should purchasing a computer be any different?. If we can learn to use everything else (DVD Players, Hi-Hi Stereos, TVs, Dishwashers, Microwave Ovens, etc), then what's so critically different with a PC or a Mac? It's just another electronic device

I agonized a bit over the decision to buy a Vista computer since I knew it was a new OS and there were bound to be bugs. (and sure as heck, there was). I came very close to buying a new one with the XP system since I was familiar with its operation and knew most of the bugs had been eliminated. But I figured what the hell, XP is probably being phased out and Microsoft will no longer issue software and driver updates so I might as well go with their new system.

There will always be bugs in an OS, whether it's new or not. I'll probably get crucified for saying this, but even the latest Mac OS X Leopard or Linux distro can/will/does have bugs that will make it as unusable for some people, just as bugs do exist in Vista that make it unusable for some people.

How many you encounter, and how they affect the use of the machine, depends heavily on how much information you have prior to making the choice. This is why knowing what you buy and who you buy it from is so important.

While I agree with your assesment that the hardware/software vendors do have a responsibility to provide products that work, isn't it also up to you, as the user, to make sure that you know what you're buying?

Let's for arguments sake say that Vista is as buggy as some people say it is (which it isn't). Isn't it reasonable enough then to say that if more people "knew computers" a little better, even just a little more than usual, it would not be far harder to release such a buggy OS?
 

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Let's for arguments sake say that Vista is as buggy as some people say it is (which it isn't). Isn't it reasonable enough then to say that if more people "knew computers" a little better, even just a little more than usual, it would not be far harder to release such a buggy OS?

My first computer was a Mac, 28k RAM with no HD, and an OS that was so simple that even someone as technologically ignorant as I had no problems learning to operate the thing since it was so user-friendly. (Early on, I worked for a company that had IBM-type machines and had to learn a little DOS to survive in the job but never really got seriously into that side of the computer world.)

During the first twelve years (1984-1996) of my computer usage, I stayed with Macs and had no hardware or software problems at all except about 1989, I lost graphics on a monitor and had to buy a new Mac.

Finally, about '97 or '98, I switched to PCs since there was a much broader range of software. Windows 98 didn't present too many problems in learning but I thought at the time that the OS was just a ripoff of Mac84. But during the nine or ten years I've used Windows, I've encountered far more software bugs than I ever saw in the Mac system.

Both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have done a tremendous service to modern society by making it possible for the common man to use computers and I thank them every day for their respective contributions to our world.

I ran across this article not long ago and was struck by his criticisms of Mac's OS, which seem to mirror those directed at the Windows system. Let's face it, Peter, both operating systems have become too complicated and unwieldy. I long for Mac84. ;):D
 

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My first computer was a Mac, 28k RAM with no HD,

Mine was a TRS-80 Model III, 4Mhz, 16k Ram, Tape Drive... Cost my Dad $1400 IIRC....

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I think OS just are slacking just like Online gaming companies are. They release the bare-bones of what they can now to get money and fix whatever else later. Instead of trying to think about it and nail all the little bits and pieces right away. Its the big downfall of the internet thinking well if it doesn't work we can patch it... I don't know about u but I would want it to work out of the box without having to dl updates. Using ur cars. If i bought a new car and i had to keep taking it back for service even if it was free service i would be pissed because I bought the car with the idea it was going to work.
 

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Mine was a TRS-80 Model III, 4Mhz, 16k Ram, Tape Drive... Cost my Dad $1400 IIRC....

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I paid about $2500. for that durned Mac. Ridiculous!!!!!

That's another reason I've switched to IBM-type machines; because they're so much less expensive than the MacIntoshes. I paid about $1400. for my latest Dell but a Mac with the same features would probably have ran me about $3000. The new one has 3 gigs of RAM, a 320 gig HD, two DVD-CD burners and a 22-inch widescreen flat monitor, plus assorted other goodies.

You said your Dad bought you your first one - that's how I got started. My youngest son started college in '83 - one day he came home and said, "Dad, I need a computer for my school work". Well, he and I went to the computer store and I bought him a Mac. He taught me how to use his and I became hooked on the darn thing so went and bought my own. (I was earning pretty good money in those days and could afford it).
 

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My first computer was a Mac, 28k RAM with no HD, and an OS that was so simple that even someone as technologically ignorant as I had no problems learning to operate the thing since it was so user-friendly. (Early on, I worked for a company that had IBM-type machines and had to learn a little DOS to survive in the job but never really got seriously into that side of the computer world.)

I got started with the venerable old ZX Spectrum 128K +3 that had a built-in 3" floppy drive that could hold 180K per side. I gave that computer to my brother for his kids when I got my first 386. If you can believe this, I loved that Speccy so much, I bought it back a couple months later! I still have it, nicely tucked away in the original packaging.

The one thing that I'd like to really see happen in this industry, whether it be Windows, Mac or Linux, is for all the bickering to come to an end. No one operating system can be classified as being better than another, as each have their own fair share of pros and cons. It's all a matter of perspective. What say you?
 

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Using ur cars. If i bought a new car and i had to keep taking it back for service even if it was free service i would be pissed because I bought the car with the idea it was going to work.

Amen, brother. I bought a new car in 1967 and in the first six or eight months I owned it had so many problems that one day I called the dealer from whom I had bought and said if he didn't either fix it or refund my down payment that I was gonna bring it down and drive it right through his showroom window. He had me bring it in and after a wait of about a week, gave it back to me. I never had any more problems with it.
 

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I think OS just are slacking just like Online gaming companies are. They release the bare-bones of what they can now to get money and fix whatever else later. Instead of trying to think about it and nail all the little bits and pieces right away. Its the big downfall of the internet thinking well if it doesn't work we can patch it... I don't know about u but I would want it to work out of the box without having to dl updates. Using ur cars. If i bought a new car and i had to keep taking it back for service even if it was free service i would be pissed because I bought the car with the idea it was going to work.

Heck, I also wouldn't mind an OS that does work out of the box. But just like cars require regular servicing in order to run at peak efficiency, so do operating systems require regular updating and fine tuning in order to run properly.

If anyone thinks they can install an OS and keep it running smoothly for a couple of years without ever installing patches and updates, then they fooling no-one but themselves.
 

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I first got started with a TI99/4a. Back in the days when you had to copy files onto tape. There is alot more hardware avilable now, that is why os`s are so much more complicated. Because of this there are going to be problems with the new os`s. XP is not bug free yet and it has been around for quite a while. How long do you think it will be until most of the bugs are taken out of vista?
 

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It's all a matter of perspective. What say you?

Very true, Pete. Of course, most everything that happens in life is a matter of perspective.

You've heard of the new phenomenon "road rage", I'm sure. Well, it seems Vista has now engendered "computer rage". :D Oh well, win a few, lose a few.
 

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Very true, Pete. Of course, most everything that happens in life is a matter of perspective.

You've heard of the new phenomenon "road rage", I'm sure. Well, it seems Vista has now engendered "computer rage". :D Oh well, win a few, lose a few.

Oi, Vista alone can't be blamed for "computer rage"! Try fixing a STOP 0x7e error when the customer has forbidden you (under pain of death) not to format the hard disk!

There are days when I wish I was rather an undertaker. Nice, quiet customers...;)
 

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I don't hate or love Vista. It's honestly no different from XP from my perspective, especially skinned in Win Classic and with that UAC crap disabled. As long as it runs my UT04, plays my MP3s and gets me online, I don't care about anything else.
 

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I don't hate or love Vista. It's honestly no different from XP from my perspective, especially skinned in Win Classic and with that UAC crap disabled. As long as it runs my UT04, plays my MP3s and gets me online, I don't care about anything else.

That's your prerogative how you want to change the visual appearance of Windows, but as for your not caring about anything else, take my word for it:

You'll want to keep UAC enabled, because a day will come when something slips past your firewall and anti-virus programs, and UAC is your last line of defense if that happens. You'll care a great deal about it then, and will want to enable it again. Sort of like fixing the barn door after the horse has escaped?
 

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Doz man I don't think an OS can right perfect for years but here In PA with cars we gotta a thing called lemon laws that if something goes wrong 3 times with in a set amount of time after you first buy a brand new car the dealership has to give you a new car or your money back. Thats more or less what I am referring to. And vista was getting patches left and right after its release. Yes doing some work over time like Service packs for certain compatibilities. But geeze man my version wasn't even running decent enough out the box to get most the drivers. After i did literally over 6 gigs worth of patches then yes vista ran, but its also been how long since its been out to make those 6 gigs worth.. I couldn't imagine what it was like getting it first day and going thru the hell i had to waiting for patches and then trying to dl them one by one to add up to 6 gig. Great smooth os feel just they didn't polish it enough.. like i said with most Online games thats the same thing to they.. Make it so it works but then do constant patches after its released to fix the bugs. Mostly because they want to make the money it takes to develop the patches from sales to atleast have some income to pay of ppl and not hurt ur pocket so much in development. Microsoft might be a huge company but they will cut corners too to save money. Rich are cheap
 

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Doz man I don't think an OS can right perfect for years but here In PA with cars we gotta a thing called lemon laws that if something goes wrong 3 times with in a set amount of time after you first buy a brand new car the dealership has to give you a new car or your money back.

That kind of law never has and never will apply to computers, because there is is just way too many things that can go wrong with them, many of which cannot be attributed to the OS itself.

Thats more or less what I am referring to. And vista was getting patches left and right after its release. Yes doing some work over time like Service packs for certain compatibilities. But geeze man my version wasn't even running decent enough out the box to get most the drivers. After i did literally over 6 gigs worth of patches then yes vista ran, but its also been how long since its been out to make those 6 gigs worth.. I couldn't imagine what it was like getting it first day and going thru the hell i had to waiting for patches and then trying to dl them one by one to add up to 6 gig.

If your Vista wasn't running perfect right out of the box, then ther's a reson for it. Or even a couple of reasons. Do you meet or exceed the system requirements? Do you have all the drivers for your devices? Did you clean install or upgrade over XP?

Actually, the first day (and even weeks) of my Vista x64 installation went flawlessly. TBH, I was expecting some weeks of lost produxtivity because of the switch, but I got my Vista on a Friday afternoon, installed it on the following Saturday, and I was running at 100% efficiency on the Monday without so much as a single glitch to get in my way. The only real threat to my productivity was that I had to stop what I was doing so that I could show-off and explain the new OS to all the people staring over my shoulder!

I've been using Vista for nearly a year now, and I can say with a fair amount of confidence that the updates I've received in that time do not ad up to 6 GB! Maybe 1 GB, give or take a couple of MB, but most defintely not 6GB!

Great smooth os feel just they didn't polish it enough.. like i said with most Online games thats the same thing to they.. Make it so it works but then do constant patches after its released to fix the bugs. Mostly because they want to make the money it takes to develop the patches from sales to atleast have some income to pay of ppl and not hurt ur pocket so much in development. Microsoft might be a huge company but they will cut corners too to save money. Rich are cheap

How can Microsoft possibly make money to develop the patches and updates when they are available for free? Vista does work out of the box, but ther will always be a need for patches and updates. Even Mac OS X Leopard had to release critical updates mere days after it was released. And guess what? They also didn't charge for the updates.

So how can delivering free updates be a deliberate attempt to make money?
 

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If u dl every single patch update it adds up to over 6 gigs or atleast mine did. It didn't work out of the box. I using your method of a car to say the flaws and how some return policy has been set for buggy cars y not buggy OS because ur talking about new cars with getting service I am just stating well cars have rules and regulations to cover their flaws..

I said OS in general not in terms of just vista, also y i added online games It was a general blanket statement. how do they make money from free updates you ask? Its not making money from the update its making the profit from selling the OS. U sell the OS then you have funding to go back over and develop patches. If you don't want to spend the money or resources to develop it now sell what you have and finish the rest with the money you bring in. A lot of companies do it. Lately I think the PC world in general has been slacking because of the internet and making far to many patches instead of spending the basic funding to make it work completely out of the box.

My pc far exceeded what was needed to run vista. and it was from a Clean Blank HD nothing was on it. I put it together myself. After uninstalling vista and going back to XP i did notice one thing I even unpartitioned the drive in the XP set up and formated it. But then after the settings where finished I noticed 21 gigs of my HD was missing not showing up on a partion it just showed my drive as 21 gigs less. After reinstalling vista I then noticed that was apart of the vista install. And it some how stored stuff on my HDD because when I reinstalled vista some of my previous where still there. So something tells me xp/vista aren't completely letting you clear each other.
 

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