Vista took one for the team

Sure, Windows 7 is a better Windows than Vista, but it would have been much less so in December 2006 when Vista was released. Enough adjustment to Vista has happened that Windows 7 won't be as imposing a change.

I'm coming to the belief that Windows 7 is basically Vista 1.5 - a notably upgraded, but not substantially different, product. But the passage of time and "work" done by Vista has freed Windows 7 from the disrepute of its predecessor.
My sense of the complaints about Vista is that the two biggest ones had to do with UAC (User Access Control) and lack of support for devices. Microsoft compromised some on UAC in Win7 (that compromise led to some controversies—I think they caved in to bad PR, they see it differently) but the basic principle of UAC in Windows 7 is the same.
The real problem that UAC tries to solve is when third-party software requires privileged access. In almost all cases, there are ways to do what the software needs to do without requiring privileged access or, in the alternative, segregating the privileged components into a service and communicating securely with it. This is, for instance, how Automatic Updates works on your system without requiring you to provide administrator credentials.


Vista Took One for the Team
 
windows 7 is going to be purchased by me, just for the beauty :P
the same reason i got vista.
 

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P.S: I still don't get why they made the Home X editions of Vista, seems like a waste to me. Ultimate was only like $180 at Newegg, so meh.

@The UAC Topic: I do not run UAC currently on my Vista desktop, as I don't see a need for it. In my opinion, no one really needs it if you're smart about what you do on the computer. You'd have to be a complete dumb ass to get in trouble with a download, etc. Rule of thumb I abide by; If I don't know the publisher of a download, torrent, software, etc, I download it and scan it with aVast (FTW) and then install it. Otherwise I just download and install it. I do run aVast, although it's kinda a resource hog (again, the power purist deal lols) so sometime I'll leave it on for a week or less and others I'll just turn it on to scan downloads, etc and for nightly scans. Another good internet rule: NEVER EVER use IE, I don't care how non-geek you are, it's crap. Firefox and Opera, and Chrome are much better and superior. Use them. Thanks, there's my rant.

I don't see the point in not having it on. Just as having AVG is useful just in case something happens, UAC is useful simply because of the same reason. It only requires an extra click or two. Frankly, I can't understand why anyone running a decent PC would have an issue with that. I tend to know what's what when it comes to downloading and such due to experience in the area of downloading and installing the wrong things years ago. Live and learn, eh? However, UAC at least puts an extra coating of protection just in case.

Oh and I got the home premium upgrade edition for $90. Why pay twice that for extra stuff I don't need/not going to use? Plus, why would I even want all those language packs? Vista Ultimate? No thanks.

As for Windows 7, it looks like an improved Vista. Only reason Windows 7 isn't Vista SP3 is because Microsoft needs to be rid of the Vista name to quiet down the XP fanboys. I'll be skipping Windows 7.
 

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    Intel i7 920 2.66 ghz
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    MSI 58x PRO
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    OCZ Gold 6GB triple channel
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    Sapphire Radeon 4830 512MB VRAM
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    On board sound
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    Using HD TV now and will be getting a monitor soon.
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    Western Digital 640GB, 7200RPM, 32MB cache
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    Corsair TX750 750 Watt
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    Xclio Windtunnel
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    Microsoft Arc Mouse
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    Microsoft Digital Media Pro
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    768kbps DSL
P.S: I still don't get why they made the Home X editions of Vista, seems like a waste to me. Ultimate was only like $180 at Newegg, so meh.

@The UAC Topic: I do not run UAC currently on my Vista desktop, as I don't see a need for it. In my opinion, no one really needs it if you're smart about what you do on the computer. You'd have to be a complete dumb ass to get in trouble with a download, etc. Rule of thumb I abide by; If I don't know the publisher of a download, torrent, software, etc, I download it and scan it with aVast (FTW) and then install it. Otherwise I just download and install it. I do run aVast, although it's kinda a resource hog (again, the power purist deal lols) so sometime I'll leave it on for a week or less and others I'll just turn it on to scan downloads, etc and for nightly scans. Another good internet rule: NEVER EVER use IE, I don't care how non-geek you are, it's crap. Firefox and Opera, and Chrome are much better and superior. Use them. Thanks, there's my rant.

I don't see the point in not having it on. Just as having AVG is useful just in case something happens, UAC is useful simply because of the same reason. It only requires an extra click or two. Frankly, I can't understand why anyone running a decent PC would have an issue with that. I tend to know what's what when it comes to downloading and such due to experience in the area of downloading and installing the wrong things years ago. Live and learn, eh? However, UAC at least puts an extra coating of protection just in case.

Oh and I got the home premium upgrade edition for $90. Why pay twice that for extra stuff I don't need/not going to use? Plus, why would I even want all those language packs? Vista Ultimate? No thanks.

As for Windows 7, it looks like an improved Vista. Only reason Windows 7 isn't Vista SP3 is because Microsoft needs to be rid of the Vista name to quiet down the XP fanboys. I'll be skipping Windows 7.


Very well said. I must agree with you. My only regret is that I got Home Premium, instead of the better versions of Vista (only because I need to send my laptop in for repairs, and I wanna back up my entire system - an option not available in the home version :().

I looked at some vids/screenshots of 7, and I wasn't all too impressed. I found that people were really excited about that feature that if you drag the windows in a certain way, it arranges them side by side. I was a little frustrated with the average windows consumer for not knowing such things like right clicking on the taskbar and clicking "show windows side by side". It's annoying to me that people don't understand the power of Windows. But this only shows how much people look for the lights and bells. And I don't deny I too want my computer to look good (everytime I look at XP it just looks bad, now that I have Vista). I know looks make a big difference. Nothing so far has made me want to try it out, so I guess the main reason why I'm going to try 7 beta, is for the feel of it.

Other than that, I couldn't be happier with Vista, especially now that I found speech recognition. Now my digital experience feels so much more futuristic. :D:D:D
 

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    4GB
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    320GB internal, 320GB external, 1TB external to come (big download library XD)
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I agree with you somewhat. I do agree that the regular users (non-geeks/gurus) should use UAC if they have no idea what their doing on a computer. But for me and I know quite a few others that use the computer at least 10-20 hours a day and we all find UAC to be a hassle. For me, I just rather disable UAC then to have to spend that extra couple clicks just to get stuff done faster. It really adds up when you install/uninstall/run programs that need admin access (though still trying to find a way to make them not run with it) every single hour/day. It's just what certain people are used to. Nothing against your opinion or nothing.

P.S: I still don't get why they made the Home X editions of Vista, seems like a waste to me. Ultimate was only like $180 at Newegg, so meh.

@The UAC Topic: I do not run UAC currently on my Vista desktop, as I don't see a need for it. In my opinion, no one really needs it if you're smart about what you do on the computer. You'd have to be a complete dumb ass to get in trouble with a download, etc. Rule of thumb I abide by; If I don't know the publisher of a download, torrent, software, etc, I download it and scan it with aVast (FTW) and then install it. Otherwise I just download and install it. I do run aVast, although it's kinda a resource hog (again, the power purist deal lols) so sometime I'll leave it on for a week or less and others I'll just turn it on to scan downloads, etc and for nightly scans. Another good internet rule: NEVER EVER use IE, I don't care how non-geek you are, it's crap. Firefox and Opera, and Chrome are much better and superior. Use them. Thanks, there's my rant.

I don't see the point in not having it on. Just as having AVG is useful just in case something happens, UAC is useful simply because of the same reason. It only requires an extra click or two. Frankly, I can't understand why anyone running a decent PC would have an issue with that. I tend to know what's what when it comes to downloading and such due to experience in the area of downloading and installing the wrong things years ago. Live and learn, eh? However, UAC at least puts an extra coating of protection just in case.

Oh and I got the home premium upgrade edition for $90. Why pay twice that for extra stuff I don't need/not going to use? Plus, why would I even want all those language packs? Vista Ultimate? No thanks.

As for Windows 7, it looks like an improved Vista. Only reason Windows 7 isn't Vista SP3 is because Microsoft needs to be rid of the Vista name to quiet down the XP fanboys. I'll be skipping Windows 7.
 

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    Intel C2D E8400 @3.0ghz OC'd 3.8ghz
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    ASUS P5Q SE PLUS
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    G.SKILL 2gb x4 DDR2
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    Nvidia GeForce GTX260
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    Onboard 5.1 Surround Sound
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    Acer X223W 22" 19" LCD
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    Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 750gb
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    Corsair H520X 1000W
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    Antect 300
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    2x 120mm front, 1x 120mm side, 1x 120mm rear, 1x 200mm top
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    G15 rev1
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This PC was my first build using Vista and the UAC was just a hassle to me but for a novice/normal user I think it is best left intact. I have a complete PC backup on my secondary hard drive so if any thing goes wrong and something slips past me and whacks my system I can have it back to normal in a jiffy. With Windows 7 I will do just like I did with Vista...let it be out for at least a year before I install it. I do think W7 will be alot better out the gate than Vista was since they are basically building on Vista so maybe I will take the plunge on my next build.

If you keep a good AV program (I suggest Kaspersky) running and do not navigate to dark areas of the internet you will most likely never have one single issue. Most problems I have ran into have been from file sharing networks and these are well known for virus distribution....avoiding these network programs will almost eliminate your chance to get a virus.
 

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    Soundmax
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    Samsung Syncmaster 2053BW 20"
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    WD 320, WD 500
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    Thermaltake Toughpower 850 watt
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    Raidmax Smilodon
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    Air cooled,5 case fans
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    Logitech MX400
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    Microsoft
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    16mbps
MrNeeds. You're right. Just for the beauty...

I've been trying build 7057 for the last week and I'm stunned. It is beautiful and functional. I can't wait.

Best wishes, John:D
 

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Ha, what about Windows 9! :D
 

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    Asus Rampage II Extreme
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    SB X-Fi MB
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    Chassis - 3 Front 140mm, Top 140mm, Rear 140mm
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What I have read about 7 is that it is faster than Vista. More stable. What else does it really offer. Come on, sell me Windows 7. Tell me something that will make me go drop another $200.00 for a new OS;)

I think it also takes up less space, but believe you me, I'm not fighting for Vista.

And OMG! I can't believe johnnywillyums, there was such a huge difference between XP and Vista - Vista took on a more childish look, used a lot more memory, and ran a lot slower - what's not to love???
 

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A new OS over a near 9yr old one will use more resources. :sarc:

Run Win95 on the latest hardware if you prefer. :)

It does not use that much more Memory unless you add lots of Gadget etc, it caches it all instead of it sitting there wasted. :confused:
 

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A new OS over a near 9yr old one will use more resources. :sarc:

Run Win95 on the latest hardware if you prefer. :)

It does not use that much more Memory unless you add lots of Gadget etc, it caches it all instead of it sitting there wasted. :confused:

The main problem with Vista is that it elbows you out of the way to use your HD. Plus the momentum is going more and more to the way of the CPU controls you, instead of the other way around. They should have just grafted a pretty GUI with lots of transparent doodads on top of the XP core.
 

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    CRT
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    750 GB SATA 3G 2 SIIG Superspeed docks w/WD Caviar Black Sata II or III
A new OS over a near 9yr old one will use more resources. :sarc:

Run Win95 on the latest hardware if you prefer. :)

It does not use that much more Memory unless you add lots of Gadget etc, it caches it all instead of it sitting there wasted. :confused:

The main problem with Vista is that it elbows you out of the way to use your HD. Plus the momentum is going more and more to the way of the CPU controls you, instead of the other way around. They should have just grafted a pretty GUI with lots of transparent doodads on top of the XP core.


Some settings can tame HDD use, there are guides here avail.

Adding 8GB of Ram is cheap and also uses HDD far less.
 

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A new OS over a near 9yr old one will use more resources. :sarc:

Run Win95 on the latest hardware if you prefer. :)

It does not use that much more Memory unless you add lots of Gadget etc, it caches it all instead of it sitting there wasted. :confused:

The main problem with Vista is that it elbows you out of the way to use your HD. Plus the momentum is going more and more to the way of the CPU controls you, instead of the other way around. They should have just grafted a pretty GUI with lots of transparent doodads on top of the XP core.


Some settings can tame HDD use, there are guides here avail.

Adding 8GB of Ram is cheap and also uses HDD far less.

Pre SPI the required settings took months of research. Or blind faith in some tweak site that lets you download a reg file that sets 30 services and hope for the best. It was definitely not ready for prime time when they let it out of the can. I can certainly see why Joe 6pack said it sucked. I've been programming since 1986 and it was a PITA for me to quiet the beast down.

Might have been a bit easier too if MS didn't insist on "hidden scheduled tasks" that had to be cleaned up one at a time. What a waste of effort when I should have been using the machine for what I wanted to do!

(btw don't suggest putting SP1 on : it won't go or I would have done so already)
 
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M9, I got a totally FREE copy of Vista due to Bea testing and being part of #Winbeta.

Even then I did not touch it for a year as it was a total joke and nightmare to use due to support.

After approx 1 year support got far better inc drivers etc, then SP1 made it even more so usable.

I stand by anything i have stated.

This nonsense I hear all the time about HDD activity or Memory use is total BS and all issues can be sorted with a little bit of reading even on this very site. :)
 

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UAC never bothers me any more as I turned it off pretty much as soon as I finished installing vista.
 

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    Asus P5Q-EM
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    On board crap!
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    2
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UAC never bothers me any more as I turned it off pretty much as soon as I finished installing vista.

I turned off UAC as well. It could have been implemented in a much better way.
 

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    ASUS
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    3 gigs
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    Vizio 21" tv
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    1920x1080 resolution
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    1 terabyte sata in 1 partition
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    fans that came with it
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    basic USB
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    basic USB
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    3 megabits on a cable modem, wired
I don't see the point in not having it on. Just as having AVG is useful just in case something happens, UAC is useful simply because of the same reason. It only requires an extra click or two. Frankly, I can't understand why anyone running a decent PC would have an issue with that. I tend to know what's what when it comes to downloading and such due to experience in the area of downloading and installing the wrong things years ago. Live and learn, eh? However, UAC at least puts an extra coating of protection just in case.

Oh and I got the home premium upgrade edition for $90. Why pay twice that for extra stuff I don't need/not going to use? Plus, why would I even want all those language packs? Vista Ultimate? No thanks.

As for Windows 7, it looks like an improved Vista. Only reason Windows 7 isn't Vista SP3 is because Microsoft needs to be rid of the Vista name to quiet down the XP fanboys. I'll be skipping Windows 7.

For me, UAC was never just one click. It was multiple clicks and still telling me I didn't have permission or 'try again'. Which is why I have disabled it on my home computer.
 

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    Vizio 21" tv
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    1920x1080 resolution
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    1 terabyte sata in 1 partition
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    basic USB
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    basic USB
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    3 megabits on a cable modem, wired
A new OS over a near 9yr old one will use more resources. :sarc:

Run Win95 on the latest hardware if you prefer. :)

It does not use that much more Memory unless you add lots of Gadget etc, it caches it all instead of it sitting there wasted. :confused:

I worked in a Cray UNICOS environment for around a year and a half. There were several patches and upgrades to the OS. It didn't use more resources.

I think of each new version of Windows as loaded with bloatware.

It is possible for a new operating system to not use a big jump in ram. Microsoft just has to be iwlling to do so.
 

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    ASUS
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    3 gigs
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    EVGA 1 gig GeForce 210
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    Vizio 21" tv
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 resolution
    Hard Drives
    1 terabyte sata in 1 partition
    Cooling
    fans that came with it
    Mouse
    basic USB
    Keyboard
    basic USB
    Internet Speed
    3 megabits on a cable modem, wired
I turned off UAC as well. It could have been implemented in a much better way.
In your opinion, how do you think it should have been implemented?
 

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    HP dv5-1120ej Notebook PC
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    Intel Dual 2.16GHz
    Memory
    4GB
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    NVidia GeForce 9200M GS, 256MB
    Hard Drives
    320GB internal, 320GB external, 1TB external to come (big download library XD)
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    Fast enough
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    Firefox, Foobar, and AutoHotkey! Go open source!
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