This is a weird request. Vista vs Mac

[darkassain]

Just to clear some inaccuracies on here:

*Mac's have right click (ctrl click if you have a one button mouse) and have had it for a long time.

yes but it is not a true right click...
(i have been behind the times on that so i didnt know that apple was actually manufacturing a two button mouse (since i know steve said that he did not want a two button in his products...)

*Unless you use Final Cut Pro or some other Apple proprietary software, the multimedia creation argument is a lie. Adobe has quite a large share in this market and is cross platform.

fair enough but a lot of people that have said that it is a great multimedia platform usually use FCP...

*Windows being more user friendly is only valid if the new user has used Windows before, they both have plenty of options catered to the non-computer literate

couldnt agree more

*Windows gained dominance in the workplace which has a large effect on why it's used in the home. How many people drive a standard transmission if they don't like driving to begin with or never learned? Enthusiasts like to learn about computers, mainstream people like to use method A to get result A instead of learning another method to do the same thing.

but you see its not only that...
only until recently you see the mac being advertised on Best Buy or in other stores..
before it was *pure* windows land cosumers see....
although i can see how it makes it easier for them to use a windows based pc if they have it in the workplace it does not affect directly *why* windows has a large marketshare

So with all that being said:

Because Macs are built with a limited amount of configurations and come from one supplier (yeah I know we can run OSX on PCs)

correct but its very difficult to be bring it completely operational....
you do have to choose your parts wisely
or
buy it from psystar...

it's easier for Apple to prevent/predict/correct hardware faults. Windows has just too many variables. But with that, if someone doesn't plan on upgrading, a mac or a popular configuration of a PC is a safe choice.

while this is usually true, i have seen failures in mac due to bad hardware...
although rare (since they do check the
extensively the hardware, but it does happen.)

Because PCs are popular, more is offered as far as software, but this also means more people are going to make malware.

correct and for those who think that the whole there is no malware on mac because its secure check millw0rm...
(although i have just heard that it became offline there are other sites, that one was popular among a big community as it was public)
they have extensive exploits and proof of concept code for all mainstream platforms (including mac)

I can't understand the justification for Apple's pricing, so I'm gonna raise the overpriced flag on them.

its not only because they can (they control not only the software and hardware flow but also the distribution of such)but because they extensively test so they can stand by the quote "It just Works"

Oh and just because it was mentioned, I had Gimp installed for a week and vowed never to touch it again. Sure you can patch it to rearrange tools/menus to work like photoshop, but there were still differences. I'm a fan of updating the interface, but rearranging makes me feel like a noob. Just like when office 07 switched to the ribbon bar and threw my domain into a disaster. For those who can't justify buying photoshop, Gimp is great, but I'm going to spend a few decades getting every penny worth out of photoshop.

which is why there is choice...
i not a big fan of how photoshop is priced but i can understand its a professional tool and as such should come with such a price, but if you are like you said if you are not really a big hobbyist in photography (or painting) or use for work, which neither apply, then gimp (and my fav paint.net) work just fine for simple things...
the main focus is that there choice and according to what you need you can choose what you want software you can use (be it freeware or commercial software..)

 

[truthkid]

Have you used the mighty mouse? It has dedicated left and right click. Just open the mouse control panel. Also it's not typical, but worth mentioning, the motherboard on my mother's original Performa 6116, original iMac, Sapphire iMac, First Gen Flat Panel iMac ALL failed within 3 years. She smokes around the computer, which is the only constant, we replaced the original iMac's motherboard under warranty and it was up in my room. It still runs damn near a decade later. The first computer I spent money on was a rig I built. I'd never go back to Mac since, but I'm still my mother's tech support for hers so I have limited Mac experience. Sure apple will charge an arm and a leg because they can (they did eliminate all the Mac clones back in the 90s). My family bought their Powermac from CompUSA so your vendor argument is hardly legit, you could buy macs outside of the Apple store prior to Steve Jobs returning to the company. If people use windows at work and can just go to their IT guy to get a copy of the disk, of course windows will become the mainstream. Do you think photoshop became the standard because of the legitimate copies?

 

[ltwally]

Bill gates never looked forwards. To say no one needs x, y and z is ridiculus. Thats what i liked better about macs, but windows had the better compatability.

Erm... in what way did Apple (Steve Jobs) look forward that Microsoft (Bill Gates) did not?

And, just to make sure you're aware, that infamous quote about never needing more than 640k of memory was never uttered by Bill Gates.

 

[ltwally]

didnt macs used to be the only stable 64 bit platform which is why architects and designers etc tend to use them more.

Now we got win7 x64 tho (havent used it, but its the best o/s from what ive seen/heard)

Actually, OS X just recently became a fully 64bit OS. Up till recently, it was actually a 32bit OS that had a sort-of hodge-podged 64bit support. Google around for the exact details, but there was definitely a full 64bit version of Windows before a full 64bit version of OS X... though, really, who cares?


As far as stability goes, I'd guestimate that 90% of the stability problems in Windows are caused by shoddy 3rd party drivers.


Yes, Windows 7 is quite nice... in all fairness, people should probably look at Windows Vista like they did the first version of OS X. Remember that? It was bloated and slow and had its fair share of compatibility issues. Several years later, OS X has improved dramatically. Windows 7 is really just a more refined/polished version of Vista, just as the many releases of OS X have been improvements upon previous versions.

 

[darkassain]

Have you used the mighty mouse? It has dedicated left and right click. Just open the mouse control panel.

i did address it in my response to Marko1 saying i was not sure as i have not used the mighty mouse, but thanks for clarifying...

Also it's not typical, but worth mentioning, the motherboard on my mother's original Performa 6116, original iMac, Sapphire iMac, First Gen Flat Panel iMac ALL failed within 3 years. She smokes around the computer, which is the only constant, we replaced the original iMac's motherboard under warranty and it was up in my room. It still runs damn near a decade later. The first computer I spent money on was a rig I built. I'd never go back to Mac since, but I'm still my mother's tech support for hers so I have limited Mac experience. Sure apple will charge an arm and a leg because they can (they did eliminate all the Mac clones back in the 90s).

and so thats the point, they can charge an arm and a leg because they can (the psystar case is more that enough to see that they dont want that to change back...)

My family bought their Powermac from CompUSA so your vendor argument is hardly legit, you could buy macs outside of the Apple store prior to Steve Jobs returning to the company.

as for the vendor they do control it...
they can say to a autorized reseller if they do not offer a certain price they don't get squat..
so they do control the distribution to such places and indirectly to the consumer...
unless i am missed something?

If people use windows at work and can just go to their IT guy to get a copy of the disk, of course windows will become the mainstream. Do you think photoshop became the standard because of the legitimate copies?

but you see how many people have such computers that do not have a OS?
*regular* consumers buy from OEM's which usually means a PC with Windows....
as for photshop's success i always thought it was because of its openness (it gives so much control to the user and its able to expand with the use of plugins)


but regarless this is OT...
so this discussion should be in another thread separate from this one

 

[truthkid]

didnt macs used to be the only stable 64 bit platform which is why architects and designers etc tend to use them more.

Now we got win7 x64 tho (havent used it, but its the best o/s from what ive seen/heard)

Actually, OS X just recently became a fully 64bit OS. Up till recently, it was actually a 32bit OS that had a sort-of hodge-podged 64bit support. Google around for the exact details, but there was definitely a full 64bit version of Windows before a full 64bit version of OS X... though, really, who cares?


As far as stability goes, I'd guestimate that 90% of the stability problems in Windows are caused by shoddy 3rd party drivers.


Yes, Windows 7 is quite nice... in all fairness, people should probably look at Windows Vista like they did the first version of OS X. Remember that? It was bloated and slow and had its fair share of compatibility issues. Several years later, OS X has improved dramatically. Windows 7 is really just a more refined/polished version of Vista, just as the many releases of OS X have been improvements upon previous versions.

I remember the first version of OS X, and remember running it on a computer that barely met the specs. My frustration was similar to a lot of vista users. I don't think Mac or PC can be answered in terms of better, I think appropriate or useful would be more accurate.

 

[ltwally]

I remember the first version of OS X, and remember running it on a computer that barely met the specs. My frustration was similar to a lot of vista users. I don't think Mac or PC can be answered in terms of better, I think appropriate or useful would be more accurate.

Yup. At the time OS X came out, Windows XP would scream on 256 megs... while OS X wasn't happy till you had a full gig of ram. And it required a similarly more powerful CPU & video card.

So what if Vista is hard on low-end hardware. People need to remember that XP and OSX were no better when they came out, or any other mainstream OS for that matter. If you want to have a speedy system on low-end hardware, either run an outdated operating system or use a minimalist linux system. It's just that simple.

 

[pacinitaly]

WOW,

I'm a PC

 

[Tarka Dal]

Re: This is a weird request. Vista vs CRAP!

Wow guys too much info...

Simple:~



Apple
A slightly more refined system due to the fact they don't have as much problems as windows based systems. All glitz no balls.

Windows
The best, why? because if there was a system that could be potentially be compromised at any moment because it's being tested to it's limits every second, yet it stays fully functional until a mistake is made by it's user then you would want it, because it has the best defence systems available... No I am not refering to AV


To put it another way:~

Apple - Porsche

Windows - Chieftain Tank!




No windows you cannot use this terminology for selling W7, I like Vista...