This is a weird request. Vista vs Mac

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So I'm in a debate with my Dad about why a Mac is better than a PC.
I'm finding it hard to come up with reasons, but I know in my head that the aesthetics of a Mac blow Windows away.
I figured I would go on a Mac forum and a Windows forum to get a few reasons why one is better than the other and compare them in a side by side document.

So basically, why is Vista better than Mac?

Thanks in advance (:
So sorry if I posted this in the wrong section!
 

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So I'm in a debate with my Dad about why a Mac is better than a PC.
I'm finding it hard to come up with reasons, but I know in my head that the aesthetics of a Mac blow Windows away.
I figured I would go on a Mac forum and a Windows forum to get a few reasons why one is better than the other and compare them in a side by side document.

So basically, why is Vista better than Mac?

Thanks in advance (:
So sorry if I posted this in the wrong section!

Don't forget Vista is the operating system so you can't compare it that way, you said your debate was with regards a PC and a Mac not the operating systems. ;)

I can't really say as I've only used Windows systems so have nothing to compare with although my neighbour has a Mac, OK it looks nice and it can do nice things but they are a lot more expensive to buy plus to maintain, that's if you can find anyone in your area that knows how too.

Sorry but that's as much as I can say about the difference but I'm sure there will be lots around here who can give you their take on it although I don't think you can really compare them as they each have their good points and their bad and whatever anyone says it will be just their opinion in the long run. ;)
 

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They both have there strong points and weak points.
A mac has software that is dedicated to the mac hardware.
A pc is cheaper and has more software than a mac.
A mac will start up faster as it has custom hardware and software.
A pc can be upgraded cheaper and has more hardware built for it.

It depends on why you would want to use one. I have a couple of mates who use them and some prefer a mac and some prefer the PC.
 

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Personal choice entirely. I wouldn't waste my money on a MAC, sorry. They are overpriced as is anything Apple and are no safer, believe me.
 

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Mac

Benefits
~Great Software
~Never really becomes "Outdated"
~Few or No Crashes
~Few or No Viruses/Malware
~Beautiful Machines
~Great for graphic/audio/video editing

Downfalls
~Expensive to buy
~Expensive to upgrade
~Little software that runs on a Mac
~Any software there is, is expensive.

My friend owns one and I love it, but as stated, they are really expensive compared to PC's. Plus, moving from Windows to Mac can be difficult. If you have used Windows since DOS stages, you are accustomed to Windows, and have used it for 10+ years now.

I personally favour PC's, due to their ease of use, upgradability, lower price, and universal use.

Extensa
 

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technically they are all pc's (aka Personal Computers as specified by the name IBM gave it...) but no time for rant..

most of members have brought up great point on where Mac is superior to the PC and vice versa...

it all depends on what kind of user your Dad is...
if he is not of a adventurist in computers and wants something that quote and quote "just works" set him up with a mac...
one of the main reason why most people here choose a pc is because they have a choice on what to choose (or if you buy OEM what computer you want) what parts fit your budget and then at any moment you can upgrade..
unlike with a mac which is sometime a nightmare to do (especially on the unibody macbooks try to upgrade the ram on that thing..:p)
and also costly unless you choose third-party upgrades which there you are loosing the guarantee that it just works because apple does test their products (which is the one of the reason they are so expensive [they test any products because they are looked upon as the type of company that "just works"

And while yes DOA's can happen at any moment and sometimes some bad hardware gets through its usually at a minimum unlike with some third party manufacturers...:rolleyes:

so to end my post if your dad wants something that works (to an extent of course) and does not want to do any troubleshooting then by all means...
but be prepared to pay a pretty pennies for that reliability and for a comparable Windows PC
 

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ok macs....... little or no viruses yes...... (only because no one cares to make any :sarc:)
overpriced....... you can put OSX on a pc...... (so why pay extra for the white color? :party:)
few hardware problems...... (but when they happen the cost a arm and leg to get fixed)

ok pcs.......... yes they have viruses (but a good anti-virus kills that problem)
sometimes have hardware and os issues...... (compare to windows 7! woo!)
much cheaper than a mac...... (a good one for about $500)
much more user friendly....... (plus you can change your OS to suit your need :party:)

anything i didn't cover? :p
so all in all..... macs are not better than a pc....... apple just has the marketing because of the little hated thing.... the i-pod...... which gives them the marketing upperhand :p so there ya go



oh i forgot this one.......
pc's can play all your games woo!!!! :party: never try that with a mac ::p
 

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Mac is wack. :p
 

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It depends on what you want to do. While the IBM/Microsoft combo has added a number of things over the years, you should remember that the Mac and Amiga computers were doing many of the same things more than 15 years ago. And in some instances, doing it better. That Bill Gates at one time said that his users didn't need millions of colors, stereo sound, nor point and click icons. Then he added them and acted like Microsoft invented them. However, it was someone at Xerox's Palo Alto, California research facility that created icons, track balls, mice, number pads, and a database as part of the home computer.

For your own use, look at the advantages and disadvantages of each computer type. Then decide.
 

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Bill gates never looked forwards. To say no one needs x, y and z is ridiculus. Thats what i liked better about macs, but windows had the better compatability.

Microsoft is making a lot more progress without Gates now tho, first windows 7 beta received a more positive outlook than vista did on release.
 

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Well this is a windows forum, i thought everybody would just be ranting at you saying "zomg mac ftl, windows ftw!!1111oneone!!"22!!21!" but im suprised that alot of people are defending the Mac, ive only ever used a mac once and i was so freaking confused... i pressed some stuff then loaaaaaaaaaads of music started playing REALLY loud (was in school) and i had no freaking idea how to stop it........i couldnt even turn off the freaking unit i had no freaking clue... looks? pssh, they dont even look very nice IMO, kind of advertising "STEAL ME IM EXPENSIVE!" and ive seen far better looking PC's,

I honestly dont see how anybody can say "Macs are better for video, audio and picture edditing, seriously? that is down to the software you are using not your OS, if you are basing it on the software that is included on the OS then yeah i guess you win?, Google sony vegas and Adobe photoshop and BAM, Macs are down for the count

Never really becomes "Outdated"
Neither does windows........-.- you could still use alot of programs on windows 98, but i dont see why anybody would.

Sorry to mac users but, What can you do that Windows cannot?
 

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didnt macs used to be the only stable 64 bit platform which is why architects and designers etc tend to use them more.

Now we got win7 x64 tho (havent used it, but its the best o/s from what ive seen/heard)
 

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Both are excellent. It depends on what the purchaser "desires" & how much they are prepared to pay. Over the years I have owned one Mac & lots of [ex ] Mr Gates "P.C's". [Personally I won't be returning to the "Mac brand."]
 
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By the way Bill Gates retired last June 30. Not sure who runs MS now.
 

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Yeah, Steve Ballmer runs MS.


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MAC - Expensive
Windows - Cheap/er
Mac - Multimedia
Windows - Gaming / Multimedia
Answer = Windows
does almost all multimedie just as well
does games a heap of alot better!
Though you could get a mac and run windows in virtual :)

-Braydon
 

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I got my first computer which was Windows 98 when I was about 7 yrs old, and I rlly got used to it, everyone in my class likes Windows, only one (and hes like one of my best friends) likes Mac, but anyway, in my few times as I got a chance to use Mac in my short lifetime (Im guna be 14 very soon), I had similar experience as user Lukepker and I was confused as hell on it!! I was like Wtf no right click is this mouse broken or wot, and it was really weird cause I couldnt open any text editor so I thought it doesent have it (does it?), and I couldnt find anything that has some feature to look what files and folders are installed on it (like an explorer window), and when I saw that Mac that is monitor-computer (i guess u kno wot im talking about), I was like wtf where does this thing turns on and I was walking around it like a neandertal that found something weird lol (no windows users arent neadertals and mac isnt superior), but I think the reason why Windows controls big part of the market is ease of using it, and it can be more modified as Apple doesent want that on their computers, and cause it can be more modified there are more games for it, and as there are more games for it, more gamers and little kids and persons who also want to do gaming on it buys that, so its kinda likea chain reaction caused by Apple's not wanting its computers being able to get an upgrade, its their own fault, think about it, ain't i right?
 
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I got my first computer which was Windows 98 when I was about 7 yrs old, and I rlly got used to it, everyone in my class likes Windows, only one (and hes like one of my best friends) likes Mac, but anyway, in my few times as I got a chance to use Mac in my short lifetime (Im guna be 14 very soon), I had similar experience as user Lukepker and I was confused as hell on it!! I was like Wtf no right click is this mouse broken or wot, and it was really weird cause I couldnt open any text editor so I thought it doesent have it (does it?)

Steve Jobs does not believe in the right click so i you might say that like Bill Gates he also believes that most users dont need this or that (you would need a 3rd party mouse (i dont remember if the mighty mouse has it) such as the as the logitech mx revolution (which im getting..;)). About the txt editor *all* mainstream consumer OSes (linux, windows and mac... ect) have txt editors and you can add one (with more capabilities (such as programming) like Notepad++ and others...

and I couldnt find anything that has some feature to look what files and folders are installed on it (like an explorer window), and when I saw that Mac that is monitor-computer (i guess u kno wot im talking about),

well technically the finder is a hybrid shell offering the actual GUI, but yeah its pretty weird if you are used to windows....
I was like wtf where does this thing turns on and I was walking around it like a neandertal that found something weird lol (no windows users arent neadertals and mac isnt superior), but I think the reason why Windows controls big part of the market is ease of using it, and it can be more modified as Apple doesent want that on their computers, and cause it can be more modified there are more games for it, and as there are more games for it, more gamers and little kids and persons who also want to do gaming on it buys that, so its kinda likea chain reaction caused by Apple's not wanting its computers being able to get an upgrade, its their own fault, think about it, ain't i right?

the main reason is because of its IBM deal and where it was able to broker deals to OEM's (where as unlike Apple does its own thing with hardware and software) which made it available to pretty much everyone using "off the self" parts, which made it cheap and put the a Windows PC available to pretty much the middle economic class and eventually the lower economic class so that helped alot...

making this pretty much a window's world (where alot of the websites are optimized to run in IE (although this is changing with a bigger share of other browsers) most ISV's still are by windows although that is changing too (java and other cross plataform languages are also changing) but more slowly.)

and apple does keep a few things private (such as patching changes which security-wise can be a double edge sword...)
but for modifying mac OSX you can have many different options to choose from...
if you just search for modding OSX you can find forums dedicating to doing just that, "hacking" the mac
for games there is crossover games which does let you play most games with a few caveats (such as PB will fail, ect) but overall they have pretty good support for games
(including steam)


as for i started on a mac (old power pc mac, and eventually OSX) and pc (first used ME and went thorough using pretty much all the others (as my school has all kinds of pc's [a teacher had and still has a Win95 machine [with SP1 as that includes IE) i should i went back and forth so its not very difficult if you had that option it would be easier to transition (which is why in some mac stores there are "classes" that teach people on how to use a mac as some do not have prior experience at using a pc or have been using Xp all their digital lives) using three major mainstream OSes (Linux, Mac (which is really a hybrid of NeXtStep and BSD which is unix), and Windows makes you realize that each has its use and this makes no OS perfect since there is no such thing (even a completely secure OS is also impossible as there is still the human factor...;), so even a perfection is far away that its possible to say one OS is completly better than the other)

lukepacker you really should try Final Cut Pro which is beautiful and very powerful (i usually use Adobe Premiere [both the 6.5 [as this is what i am proficient] and CS4 versions [mainly for experimenting and eventually migrating too]) as for audio i really have not looked into it but since i use Pro Tools LE this is cross platform and and to me is more than enough (as i already have a license of Cool Edit Pro and now Audition (on the PC) and since there is more cost to buy the Mac i simply said forget it and am using it there on the PC and which is why i have not looked on the Mac...

and there is photoshop on the Mac too so that is cross-platform (although you have to give adobe more to use it) and to me its just easier to use gimp (which is too cross platform) on all linux, pc and Mac machines...

so the main point is that you have options and you can use that information to see which OS is better for you...
i use all three because they all have something i want and they all have something i want to have in the other (example would be FCP from the mac plataform on linux (although i am quite fond of Cinelerra) or PC...)
and am looking for something new to learn from every OS so that in time i can say im profficent on these plataforms...:geek:
 

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Just to clear some inaccuracies on here:

*Mac's have right click (ctrl click if you have a one button mouse) and have had it for a long time.
*Unless you use Final Cut Pro or some other Apple proprietary software, the multimedia creation argument is a lie. Adobe has quite a large share in this market and is cross platform.
*Windows being more user friendly is only valid if the new user has used Windows before, they both have plenty of options catered to the non-computer literate
*Windows gained dominance in the workplace which has a large effect on why it's used in the home. How many people drive a standard transmission if they don't like driving to begin with or never learned? Enthusiasts like to learn about computers, mainstream people like to use method A to get result A instead of learning another method to do the same thing.

So with all that being said:

Because Macs are built with a limited amount of configurations and come from one supplier (yeah I know we can run OSX on PCs), it's easier for Apple to prevent/predict/correct hardware faults. Windows has just too many variables. But with that, if someone doesn't plan on upgrading, a mac or a popular configuration of a PC is a safe choice.

Because PCs are popular, more is offered as far as software, but this also means more people are going to make malware.

I can't understand the justification for Apple's pricing, so I'm gonna raise the overpriced flag on them.

Oh and just because it was mentioned, I had Gimp installed for a week and vowed never to touch it again. Sure you can patch it to rearrange tools/menus to work like photoshop, but there were still differences. I'm a fan of updating the interface, but rearranging makes me feel like a noob. Just like when office 07 switched to the ribbon bar and threw my domain into a disaster. For those who can't justify buying photoshop, Gimp is great, but I'm going to spend a few decades getting every penny worth out of photoshop.
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Sager NG2096
    CPU
    Intel P8700
    Memory
    4 Gigs
    Graphics card(s)
    9600M GT
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung PN50A550
    Screen Resolution
    Primary 1680 X 1050, Secondary 1920 X 1080
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Revolution
    Internet Speed
    Satalite :-(
    Other Info
    Running SUSE, Solaris, Kalyware, and BSD through vmware whenever the mood strikes
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