Stop unfairly comparing Vista to its predecessor and its successor

It seems like everywhere you turn on the Web these days, there’s another article bad mouthing Microsoft Windows Vista and telling you to stay with Windows XP — arguing that XP is the greatest Microsoft OS ever. It also seems like there are just as many articles praising Windows 7 as our OS savior — and it’s barely even a twinkle in Bill Gate’s eye at this point. While reading these types of articles recently, I’ve begun to recall other points in the history of Microsoft operating systems and draw parallels with what happened then with what is happening today with Vista. In this edition of the Windows Vista Report, I’ll explore some of these parallels.

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[smarteyeball]

The only problem I have is that these days I hear idiots left and right complaining about things they have never even tried.

Exactly. Unfortunately regurgitated rhetoric emanating from uninformed mouths encompasses much more than this OS vs that OS. It's that mentality which personally irks me.

If someone has actually tried something (for more than 5 mins) and found it wanting for whatever reason, then I'm not bothered. It's an informed opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree. But as soon I hear somebody else's recycled opinion...

I've lost count of the times I've heard 'duh...Vista is sh*t'. You ask them why it is sh*t, they reply 'I heard from some bloke who knows about computers' or some such nonsense

 

[thepizzaman]

true....... but it would be nice i could get those drivers i need to work........

Have you tried posting what you need in the drivers section here
May not be immediate but one of the members may be able to help

no but i don't think they even exist i have googled them more than once........

 

[pooch]

These idiots can only compare things they don't understand. Vista works fine. Its the users who are the problem.

Hey Michael I agree with you, but you do have to admit that as time goes by computers are getting more complicated not only the operating systems and programs that go with them but also because of the speed of growth of the computer. In this statement I mean the everchanging hardware.

If, as an average user you are able to buy a new computer and if you come clear with the newly released operating system, that runs perfectly on its optimised hardware. Then, yes, you stand a chance of having a pleasant, shall we say experience.

However should you be in the majority of computer users. The chances are that you will have a rig that is at least two to three years old, if not more. At this point I won't even start talking about costs but they are also a factor

You will be looking at changing drivers and hardware just to bring your old computer up to a minimum standard to install and run the new OS.

A degree in AstroPhysics is not necessary here, but This relatively simple task is asking to much from a large amount of the population. You only have to look at the forums and listen to the frustrated voices to realise what a mammoth task this is.

No wonder that Vista is put down................It doesn't have a chance in the first place!!!

Which leads me to the question.

When do I get a computer??...................... for my computer

Pooch

 

[garysgold]

Personally, I have never gotten a new operating system unless it came on the new computer. This is how I got Vista. If you have an old computer, why would you think the lastest and greatest software would run on it. Indeed, the only reason I bought a new computer is that a client asked me to do some video editing for them. Since I was wanting to learn this anyway I said, 'Love to, but I'll have to get software and spend some time learning how. Long as your in no big hurry.' So I bought the software and when I tried to install on the old computer a warning came up that basically said, forget about it this comp can't run this software. Hmmm, guess this thing is getting kinda old. It came with W2kPro. Windows Seven will be the first OS I'll have ever purchased that is not OEM. Not because Vista doesn't run great for me, but because I like the refinements that are coming with Seven and I expect that 99.9% of what works in Vista will work in Seven. Just MHO.

 

[thepizzaman]

i hope seven has a much larger driver database

 

[Adamd]

I wish like what as already been said would catch on and become an OS that people like.

How can you say it's bad when the people saying that never even used it or give it a shot?

Just retarded and shows a lack of knowledge and respect for a product you are bashing because people just assume it's bad because some don't like it.

 

[dmex]

i hope seven has a much larger driver database

Hey Pizzaman,

You kinda keep repeating yourself about drivers?

Windows 7 will support the same amount of drivers as Vista as more are created to support the OS

Driver support is the responsibility of manufacturers and has nothing todo with Microsoft...Never has and Never will

If your device worked before but doesn't now I can guarantee you 100% it never will work in the future with any Operating System...Microsoft just make a framework for drivers like Apple, Unix, Linux (using modules) make for their Operating Systems... Not one has or will make drivers themselves because its the device manufacturer`s responsibility to support their hardware with their drivers and has been the case with every Operating System from OSX, BSD, Unix to Linux and previous versions of Windows (Like 2000 to XP) ...

Microsoft introduced a new Framework with Vista supporting new features (like the ability to reload a crashed driver without restarting the entire system plus other Driver Framework updates like Windows Display Driver Model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (the most notable feature) along with framework support for technology's like touch surfaces and USB3 and other future hardware, Linux did the same with the move from 2.4 to 2.6 kernels and Apple did the same with OSX 10.5, each requiring a new driver be developed by the company that developed the hardware.

Considering all hardware is Intellectual Property and Propriety(CPU, GPU, Memory, Harddisks...) Microsoft would need to have inner details about that hardware to make capable drivers, something that every company would consider an IP violation even then they would charge Microsoft millions for access to that IP as they do with all IP today.
If 20 people bought my device and I charged Microsoft millions to make me a driver for their OS, I bet they would get a little annoyed with the support it has for the price they paid plus if you think about the hundreds of thousands of devices available across the world it becomes a very costly problem for Microsoft to make one for each device and keep updating it regularly with better tweaks and performance (graphics drivers anyone?)

The solution for all these problems devised back in the early 1990`s was simple, A plugin style Driver Framework for the Operating System that allowed 3rd party vendors or create and support their own hardware using their own software and this is how all device manufacturers and the Operating Systems operate today...

Microsoft will keep updating the framework every few years to support new technology's (like USB3) so the responsibility of device drivers rests with the manufacturer, their staff and money available to create and support drivers for every new release (can you get SLI support on Windows 95/98 or 2000?, You can if ATI and NVidia paid enough staff and money to make it happen)

I dont know about your preferences but I think Microsoft has enough time managing Windows than wasting their time sorting out other company`s product problems

 

[thepizzaman]

well ok yes that is true
but if the product is a discontinue its kinda hard to use xp drivers with vista
windows should have it so that all the previous drivers will work with vista not you have to keep using xp to make your hardware work

 

[garysgold]

You can't launch missiles from a Bi-plane.

Gary

 

[thepizzaman]

true but still some of theses drivers should work since they were made in 2006

 

[smarteyeball]

If the drivers don't contain the instructions for Vista, then they won't work. Even if the drivers were released today with only XP instructions inside, then it's still not going to work. It's the company who created these drivers who are at fault, not Vista. I can understand your frustration though