Performance Tweaking Myths

I can tell you this much, this bulloney about shutting down literally every service to improve performance, is just that bulloney and a myth. I tried that once as I recall on on I think it was Windows XP, and messed up the OS, bad enough that I had to reinstall WindowsXP, and this was like back in 2004 when I did this.

All I have running to keep spyware and viruses at bay, is DEP for IE7, DEP for Vista, XD Technology(No Execute Disable), Live OneCare 2.5, and Spyware Blaster.

There is simply no need for a lot of these tweaks, having a ton of tweaks going, a boatload of registry cleaners on top of this. What does having a tone of registry cleaners do for people, nothing, absolutely nothing. Then they blame Microsoft, because they messed up their own systems.

Only registry cleaner I use is the one in TuneUp Utilities 2008.

What really improved system performance for me, was when I went to 8GB's of ram, and I'm considering getting a Q6600 or Q6700 cpu within a few months to see what performance boost I'll get from running a quad core on my motherboard.
 

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@ WildEagle

Ain't that the truth my friend!!

Like I tell people, adjust the resources to meet the system and not the other way around...works everytime guaranteed!
 

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Too much tweaking can do more damage than people think. I let Vista learn what I do and adjust itself on a daily basis, rather than hunting some mythical performance improvement.
 

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@johngalt, THank you for your response. I read the Microsoft article with interest, but note that many, if not all of their improvement tecniques are well docemented elsewhere and many of these I had previously implimented. This problem with slooow startup and mysterious hanging only occurred after I upgraded my system to Ultimate (by doing a clean install) and the difficulty could have been to do with an improper install. However it was resolved, my system now performs quite well and I am gratefull to you, brinks, and all others at this forum who have taken the time and effort to produce guides and respond to questions. Thanks again.

I realized that when I read it - but the irony is that M$ is directly contradicting that one myth after it has been hashed and rehashed to death about whether service tweaking works or not.

I've been trying to kill some of those myths for YEARS now...

I've NEVER recommended registry cleaners, I always tried to point out the inherent dangers and the absolute BUNK that they'll make your system faster...especially to newer users. They're the ones most likely to damage their systems because they can't recognize an obvious false positive key when they see one, mainly because they know next to nothing about the registry structure. In many cases this is the first time they even hear about the Registry and now they're trying to edit it....ouch! Orphaned keys are not accessed so they do no harm and 500 useless keys add up to maybe 1MB space so ther are Zero savings with these smoke & mirror products.

Then the always pervasive "Services Tweaks"...one of my personal peeves. I've seen more people end up with "Mysterious" problems after trying these tweaks and then they yell and scream about how awful Microsoft is and they should be prosecuted for such junk OS's. 99% of the time it's the users own actions that cause their problems and these Services tweaks are a very big part of this. We tested this for over 8 months on 15 machines at my main site and found that the Maximum RAM savings was less than 40MB's and the issues caused by them (even the so-called "Safe" settings) caused 39% more "unknown" errors on clean, normal use machines (XP SP1) than on the non-tweaked systems. All these systems had the same programs installed, the same system settings, the same security s'ware installed, and driver and similar errors were omitted from the results.
In all there are way more problems caused by these tweaks than there are savings to be found. I turn a few services from Auto to Manual..ones like Tablet PC since I don'thave one, Parental Controls...I'm a bachelor living alone with grown kids, Smart Card removal Policy...don't need that one...and 1 or 2 others like that. All the rest should be left alone or changed at your own peril.

I've also tried to explain to people who are furious at MS about the limit of Half open connections limit, that this does not affect their d'loads of their torrents, or any other download. It's the P2P users who are most susceptible to this myth and there are many "cracked" TCP/IP.dll files to be found out there. Problem is that the 64bit version will break your TCP/IP stack and make your machine UNBOOTABLE because it fails to verify as a proper system file!!! Unfortunately, the 64bit users find out about this the hard way and end up having to reinstall and lose their data because of it, since they do not back up the original properly or know how to restore it to an unbootable machine. It's done through the Repair console (basically DOS command) and they lack the knowledge to do this, so...goodbye data.

Some tweaks are more difficult to figure out that they're useless. I must admit I changed the setting to try and get both processors used on bootup, this one sounded logical. But after reading a post by Mark Russinovich a while back I removed that tweak too.

I think the overall main factor to be learned from this is....TWEAKS are usually not needed, and can in fact harm your system!! Entire software industries have been built around peoples unwarranted beliefs that the MS OS is heavily burdened with resource hogging services, and the Registry bloats and bogs a system down because of poorly written Uninstallers and needs serious repair because of this....all incorrect! But many businesses make serious money from peoples lack of knowledge on how the OS truly works, and their oft' times maniacal beliefs in system tweakers. I've seen people with over 6 different AntiSpyware apps installed, 3 or more registry cleaners...because one has different features than the other has, applied umpteen hundred tweaks they've read about (without researching any of course), and awear their systems run like a "3 Day old Gazelle" now! Of course thats all in their minds because they WANT to believe it's true, but for some unknown reason (it's Microsoft's fault!!!), they need to reinstall every 3 months or so...hmmm...coincidence?? Me thinx not



EDIT - I guess it's not ALL bad... after all, without allot of these so-called "tweaks", we'd have a heck of allot less work to do on our fave Tech help forums, right guy's-N-gals! ;)

You and me both brother. I keep telling people to forget about registry cleaning, but my cries keep falling on deaf ears.

Even worse are the registry tweaks - which I used to perform myself.

What most people do not realize is that the boot time comes more form device scanning than anything else - the HAL has a set group of devices it checks for every time when it loads, and thus makes Plug and Play work - if you go to Linux, for example, you can easily bypass this by compiling your own kernel and only including those modules that you *know* you need - but that takes time and effort, and people want to be illiterate about how they use their computers.

The worst part is when they make stupid associations ("I installed the newest driver last night and now I cannot connect to the Internet!" - to which I usually answer "What AV / firewall program are you running ,and did it update itself last night, or any time since you last rebooted the computer, also?") It is amazing that people are so willing to let computer programs take care of them - they are the human beings, they are the ones that are smart - they can learn, a computer only does what it is told - it is a machine.

Then again, I see how people drive their cars and keep them maintained and I resent the stupidity of the masses even more.

I can tell you this much, this bulloney about shutting down literally every service to improve performance, is just that bulloney and a myth. I tried that once as I recall on on I think it was Windows XP, and messed up the OS, bad enough that I had to reinstall WindowsXP, and this was like back in 2004 when I did this.

All I have running to keep spyware and viruses at bay, is DEP for IE7, DEP for Vista, XD Technology(No Execute Disable), Live OneCare 2.5, and Spyware Blaster.

There is simply no need for a lot of these tweaks, having a ton of tweaks going, a boatload of registry cleaners on top of this. What does having a tone of registry cleaners do for people, nothing, absolutely nothing. Then they blame Microsoft, because they messed up their own systems.

Only registry cleaner I use is the one in TuneUp Utilities 2008.

What really improved system performance for me, was when I went to 8GB's of ram, and I'm considering getting a Q6600 or Q6700 cpu within a few months to see what performance boost I'll get from running a quad core on my motherboard.

@ WildEagle

Ain't that the truth my friend!!

Like I tell people, adjust the resources to meet the system and not the other way around...works everytime guaranteed!

A lot of people cannot understand that. Interestingly enough, Ed Bott called out a noted 'journalist' who was calling Vista every name in the book - using Google Cache Not was able to show how the very same journalist said the very same things about XP when it first came out - and almost verbatim.

The sad part is that most people never figured out how to resource match, and the OEMs are not going to push a matched resource set on your because it gets expensive and they know they would rather sell 5 underpowered computers that the end user will upgrade in 2 years rather then 1 sufficiently powered system now that gets used for 5 years.

My last machine I built around XP _ I knew it was a beast, compared to Win2K, and I planned. I was not into HW OCing then, and I played around with getting a mobo with RAMBUS technology as opposed to DDR - but then I found a P4 2.0(A) Northwood CPU that some guy on eBay did not know was a Northwood (lucky for me) so I bought it, dropped my RAMBUS idea and got a entry level motherboard that supported 2 GB of RAM and plugged 1 GB into it.

People looked at me like I was crazy (1 GB RAM? Are you nuts? I just bought a system with 256 MB from Dell for $999!)

less than a year later the word was out - give XP 1 GB of RAM and it will be happy.

The same has happened with Vista - word has been out for a long time - Give Vista 3 GB - and yet OEMs are *still* selling Vista machines equipped with 2 GB RAM. Pathetic. Even with the speed advances in HDs, and with SATA II and better caches on the HD, with 2 GB you'll be sending stuff to the pagefile almost at boot. Within 10 application installs and running 3-4 items you're machine starts to bog down - as there is simply *no way* Vista can perform without massive pagefile use - and that means your information is all of a sudden 1000 times slower to get accessed.

Don't skimp on the RAM. It makes a *huge* difference.

I beta tested XP on a Pentium 200MHz (HP Pavilion 7500 series) with 96 MB RAM - maxed mobo - and it was god awful slow.

I beta tested Vista on my 1 GB RAM machine after buying a new video card to replace the nVidia MX 440 (which I bought solely for dual head purposes, since I was not an avid gamer) with an ATI Radeon x1650Pro - and it ran Vista- and it was *usable*. Slow, but not *nearly* as slow as XP was on that Pavilion. I then got a new mobo, new RAM and new processor - P4 3.2 GH HT 3 GB PC3200 RAM, and an MSI Neo2 Platinum Edition. Vista ran great - still a bit slow, and yes, slower than XP would have been - but that is to be expected. XP was 6 years old at this point - 6 *mature* years. It has a smaller codebase. It is going to run faster on the same hardware.

Now my system screams with Vista. And I would not have it any other way.
 

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Ouch....my typing fingers hurt just Looking at your post John...;)

I don't have much time right now but I did want to say something about one thing you said.
I also have seen MANY bloggers/techhie sites, just Bash Vista all to heck, all the whils extolling the perfectness of XP. Yet if they have archived their blogs/sites, and you go back about 7 years or so, you'll see the same idiots BLASTING XP for being absolute Garbage while they extol the pureness of W2k or W98SE...sick...just sick.
They seem to forget that it takes a little time for any OS to mature into what it ultimately will become, and I find Vista has matured faster than any other MS OS I've used to date.

I wish these "Bashers" would recognize that this seems to be a a recording on their part, a broken one at that, and remember what they used to say about almost every new OS MS has released. Some of them make a living bashing the newest OS while praising the last, but they also blasted the last while praising the previous to that one too. A bit hypocritical don't you think...
 

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One of the reasons it matured so fast was because it was much more extensively tested - both legitimately and pirated.

But, one of the reasons it has such a bad rep is that Hardware devs and especially their driver writing team dismissed Vista and consequently were too slow to come out with compatible drivers.

Now, we're seeing yet another chapter of this song and dance with x64....although the uptake is that support seems to be coming a lot faster for x64 than it did initially for Vista.
 

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This is SO funny!!!!:sarc:

Every time I see/hear someone saying "Oh, that won't work!"
I can't wait to try it. In many instances, actually too many to name, it DOES work!:geek:

The nay-sayers say "Don't disable Services to improve performance....it won't do any good" ....
So, I disable 24 services I don't need and see my boot time drop from 126 seconds to 52 sec's. NO improvement at all....RIGHT?:sarc:

Then I do the registry tweaks to KILL reluctant app's during shutdown, install the Quick Shutdown Icon on my desktop and see my shutdown time reduced to five (5) sec's.

Why all the fuss? Do it once during OS setup and forget it. It's certainly not worth all this controversy!

Those stubborn folks who don't want to improve their PC are NOT going to do it no matter how much others scream and yell about it.

Setting up PC's the way I set them up, I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, see BSOD's, freezes or crashes. NEVER! (With either Xp or Vista)

I think I'm all done here. This entire thread is becoming as redundant as some of the Services I could name and my eyes are hurting from reading all the diatribes and the quotes of quotes.:p

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?
The Shadow :cool:
 

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I believe the whole thing mostly just boils down to you knowing what you are doing or not. If you do, then you can see a performance increase with the right tweaks. If you do not, then you can easily mess up or disable something that you should not have causing a performance hit. :geek:
 

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I've got a friend who still won't put Vista 64 on his machine, and constantly says the drivers aren't up to snuff yet. Most of what he says is a load of bullcookies.

I highly doubt my friend will ever put Vista 64 on his system.

As for tweaking, I don't get crazy anymore, like I used to, as I would rather not mess up my Vista 64 installation which is working just fine.
 
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I am building an AMD Quad core computer running XP. Currently a clean install, SP3, with no third party software installed. I have a an Intel Quad Core 6600 running Vista, loaded with stuff. For a test I booted both simultaneously. My Vista beat the XP by 20 seconds? Does this mean Vista is faster, or should I tweak the XP machine?
 

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I am building an AMD Quad core computer running XP. Currently a clean install, SP3, with no third party software installed. I have a an Intel Quad Core 6600 running Vista, loaded with stuff. For a test I booted both simultaneously. My Vista beat the XP by 20 seconds? Does this mean Vista is faster, or should I tweak the XP machine?

Well what's wrong with Vista being faster?
 

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I am building an AMD Quad core computer running XP. Currently a clean install, SP3, with no third party software installed. I have a an Intel Quad Core 6600 running Vista, loaded with stuff. For a test I booted both simultaneously. My Vista beat the XP by 20 seconds? Does this mean Vista is faster, or should I tweak the XP machine?

Well what's wrong with Vista being faster?

Absolutely Nothing :D
 

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I am building an AMD Quad core computer running XP. Currently a clean install, SP3, with no third party software installed. I have a an Intel Quad Core 6600 running Vista, loaded with stuff. For a test I booted both simultaneously. My Vista beat the XP by 20 seconds? Does this mean Vista is faster, or should I tweak the XP machine?

Well what's wrong with Vista being faster?

Absolutely Nothing :D

My thoughts exactly :)
 

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Guys I support Vista as well but I would expect XP to run faster. It has less overheads which means it will run faster. As to the boot speed not to sure.
 

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I am not sure either, everything I've ever read says Xp boots faster (not talking about any system pro's or cons). I know this isn't the place to discuss what to do with the XP system. But I thought that the speed comparison was interesting.
 

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TBH i think my XP rig ''did'' boot faster but that's due to the fact vista has far more to load than XP on start up.....

yet once up & running there is no comparison
vista leaves it in the dust!!....its far more responsive than XP ever was on the same H/W (only 2gb though)
:)
 

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Hmmm QOS doesnt do anything? I didnt have any updates pending or any installing. Didnt even have the update manager thing up and was wondering why my internet speed was only at 11Mb. I look and see the QOS is enabled and all i did was disable it and rerun the speedtest and it doubled. Can anyone explain that?
 

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@msterjego,
QoS shouldn't have the effect that you describe, something else seems to be going on there. Brinks has written an excellent tutorial on modifying the Vista QoS at http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/109326-qos-bandwidth-reserve-limit.html. This does not, however, address your particular problem which could have any number of causes. Is it repeatable?
 

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    Zotac Amp Edition 8800GT - 512MB DDR3, O/C 700mhz
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    4 X Samsung 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA-II HDD w. 16MB Cache .
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    Thermaltake
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    3 x octua NF-S12-1200 - 120mm 1200RPM Sound Optimised Fans
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