from xp to vista

tanzanos

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I am considering upgrading my hardware. The problem is that I find vista very hard to use. I tried it on my sons pc. I get lost because all menus are nested and the whole logic behind it is just too weird for me.
I mainly use XP for: 3D solid modelling CAD software, Gaming, browsing.

If I can make vista look and operate like XP then I have no problems. It takes me forever to navigate through vista. Whereas with XP it takes just a few clicks and seconds. Also with Office 2007 (UUUGGGHHHH)!

I had in the past posted on a similar subject but now that SP2 is out for Vista; has it changed so for the better?

I am not out to prove anything nor try to keep up with every drop of PC technology.

OS' are supposed to make life easier not harder. :huh:
 

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Just leave it then , service pack 2 wont change the look or feel , it just makes a few improvements , stick with what you like :D XP is perfectly fine , some say better (their wrong of course ;) ) , wait till windows 7 , see what you think of that :D
 

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You could also try switching to Classic View...
Although this won't change much of the functionality of Vista it may make it more of a comfortable feel until you get used to the changes.
 

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i would agree with patio and archie. if you want to use vista there is no point in tryin to make it work like xp. you could try using the classic view but file structure and options will still be vista.....its a whole new animal. its actually really easy once you get used to it sooooo if you dont like it you might as well use xp
 

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Hi tanzanos,

We all had this problem when we moved to Vista. Most, if not all, of us also had this problem when we moved from 9x or NT to XP. It's simply a matter of taking things steady and learning as you go along. Don't forget to check the Tutorials: Tutorials - Vista Forums and, if you have any problems, please don't hesitate to submit a post. We will endeavour to assist you in any way that we can.
 

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Thank you all.

I checked on the web and found how to change to classic view on control panel, startup, explorer etc.

Why did Microsoft decide to change something that the whole world was used to and made it harder to use is beyond me. Also is there a way to make office 2007 look like office 2003? I can't navigate with office 2007. Is there a classic look to the new office?
 

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If your CAD and 3D Apps are 64-bit, Vista x64 is very nice. I just loaded Photoshop CS4 and Lightroom 2.2. Both 64-bit. I have a pair of quad Xeons and 16GB of RAM, those two apps can hit the RAM and cores.
 

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    pair of Intel E5430 quad core 2.66 GHz Xeons
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    Supermicro X7DWA-N server board
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    16GB DDR667
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    eVGA 8800 GTS 640 MB video card
    Hard Drives
    SAS RAID
Vista is much easier, more fun, more user friendly, more stable, less update requiring (? more secure), more sophisticated and smarter than any other OS's I 've dealt with...from w95 to w98 to wxp, to wxp mce. However, I suspect it is also more easily annoyed by less credentialed tweakers...like me.

And there is VISTA FORUM. C'mon, upgrade already. How else are you gonna get a chance to deal with these techies?.
 

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Hi tanzanos, you have just tried on your son's pc. You may like it more if you work on it for a few more hrs; once you get used to it, things are much more convenient with Vista. The way I look at it, unless it gives you problem in making a living, I'll take the charllenge. I am using Vista and XP dately; to me they are just part of a computer.
 

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    2 x Barracuda 7200.10 320GB RAID 0 / 1 x 500GB Maxtor
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I am considering upgrading my hardware. The problem is that I find vista very hard to use. I tried it on my sons pc. I get lost because all menus are nested and the whole logic behind it is just too weird for me.
I mainly use XP for: 3D solid modelling CAD software, Gaming, browsing.

If I can make vista look and operate like XP then I have no problems. It takes me forever to navigate through vista. Whereas with XP it takes just a few clicks and seconds. Also with Office 2007 (UUUGGGHHHH)!

I had in the past posted on a similar subject but now that SP2 is out for Vista; has it changed so for the better?

I am not out to prove anything nor try to keep up with every drop of PC technology.

OS' are supposed to make life easier not harder. :huh:

My opinion would be to stick with Vista and take things steady and slow until you find your way around, it wont take that long as it's very easy actually once you start to use it, as for Office 2007 sorry but I only use Excel out of mine at the moment and OK it's different but it's still Excel and so far I've had no problems finding my way around. ;)
 

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    Windows 10 Home
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    AMD A9 Stoney Ridge Technology
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    HP 8312 (Socket FP4)
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    8.00GB Dual-Channel Unknown (?-0-0-0)
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I spoke to some computer repair technicians and IT students and they all told me to stay away from Vista. WOW! They said it is so awful that MS has decided to bring out a new OS. I was told that most of my software will not work properly even if it is Vista certified. Although I am getting a major upgrade (full graphics capability for gaming and CAD) I have decided not to risk my money on this OS. I shall wait until future SPs make it workable and then of course I shall do the plunge.

Also I checked the web and it seems most people are very upset. I guess the majority of us are not computer whiz kids or power users. We are just expecting the things we buy to work properly. I owe no allegiance to any brand or OS.

But like they say "better the devil you know...."

Anyway thank you all for your feedback and I am sure when (yes when) I finally take the plunge; you all will still be here to lend a helping hand.

PS: Yes I use my computer for work.
:)
 

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I use Vista x64 Ultimate. Installed in 18 minutes on my workstation. Better memory management for my 16GB of RAM. You can set the L2 cache of the processors to be directly used. My Xeons have 12MB cache. I really improved performance. Vista x64 SP1 is out and stable.
 

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    SAS RAID
I use XP for my Office work as I have finally been able to get around and cruise just fine on it but, I took the plunge at home and installed vista x64 to dual boot with my XP (wife uses my PC and I didn't want to hear it... she's mean! ;)) , it if wasn't for the folks at vistax64.com, I don't think I would have done it either.

I still have to reboot into XP when I am trying to find something that I can't get with Vista as I still find it cumbersome. It comes from getting used to something and having to change to something else but I do find it more Vista steady and stable... can't complained about the eye candy as well! :D
 

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    Acer 22" LCD Widescreen
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    Comcast 6MB Broadband
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I'm not a computer whiz kid either, just an old granny who thinks that there is nothing wrong with Vista, OK you need a much better grade of machine to run it without problems but if you buy a new machine with it installed there is no reason you should have any trouble using it.

As for your so called experts saying that it's so awful Microsoft have decide to bring out a new OS, well thats just nonsense of course they are bringing out a new OS they are always working on new platforms, technology doesn't stand still so neither does the computers we use they are forever evolving and getting better so they have to have a better and more powerful OS to run them.

OK I've said enough and I'm getting down of my box :D but just wanted to state my opinion and say you can't know an OS until you've given it a fair run. ;)
 

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    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz) 512MB ATI AMD Radeon R5
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    AMD High Definition Audio Device Realtek High Definition Aud
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    Generic PnP Monitor on AMD Radeon R5 Graphics
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    119GB SanDisk SD8SN8U-128G-1006 (SSD) 931GB Hitachi HGST HTS721010A9E630 (SATA
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Update your java to 6tm update 7 and install free the open office org.3 that comes with java installation...it requires much less space, faster and simpler...and permanently free.(not trial) Then you cam unstall space hogging student 7 trial version.
 

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Thank you all.

I checked on the web and found how to change to classic view on control panel, startup, explorer etc.

Why did Microsoft decide to change something that the whole world was used to and made it harder to use is beyond me. Also is there a way to make office 2007 look like office 2003? I can't navigate with office 2007. Is there a classic look to the new office?

That is like asking why did Ford change the look and drive-ability of the 1990s Thunderbirds to the 2000s Thunderbirds - and to say the whole world was used to it is a pretty far stretch of the imagination, as that excludes Linux Users, Mac users, BSD users and those who have never used a computer before in their life.

I spoke to some computer repair technicians and IT students and they all told me to stay away from Vista. WOW! They said it is so awful that MS has decided to bring out a new OS. I was told that most of my software will not work properly even if it is Vista certified. Although I am getting a major upgrade (full graphics capability for gaming and CAD) I have decided not to risk my money on this OS. I shall wait until future SPs make it workable and then of course I shall do the plunge.

Also I checked the web and it seems most people are very upset. I guess the majority of us are not computer whiz kids or power users. We are just expecting the things we buy to work properly. I owe no allegiance to any brand or OS.

But like they say "better the devil you know...."

Anyway thank you all for your feedback and I am sure when (yes when) I finally take the plunge; you all will still be here to lend a helping hand.

PS: Yes I use my computer for work.
:)

They also say this - an I hope it strikes home:

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

You see all the complaints on the web because those with no complaints don't bother spending their time complaining, now do they? However, if you will look at those folks helping, like many of the people *here*, you'll also notice that there are plenty of *experts* who all agree that XP is ancient history.

The major improvements in Vista don't lie in the UI (User Interface) - while those are nice, it is what is under the hood (to coin a phrase and tick one person in particular off, if he is reading this :p) that counts- the OS is a lot more stable than XP, and requires a lot ***less*** in terms of protection software installed to work correctly.

Finally, it is entirely up to as to whether you do try Vista again or not - personally, with the way you already feel about it, you're going to come in jaded every time and most likely walk away with a bad experience - but if you are truly open-minded enough, take a look at The Mojave Experiment and see how others *just like you* were pleasantly surprised, even, at times, flabbergasted, by what Vista *can* do.

Also, my *honest* opinion is this - If you use XP for work, stick with it for another year, and wait for Windows 7 - although it will look and feel even more drastically different, it will, at the very least, be at least as speedy, if not speedier, than your current XP - and then you will have one less thing to cause you consternation as you learn a new OS.

Oh, and for the record - I have a friend who uses Windows 98. Today. Right now. He would not move to XP because of the same reasons you stated for not liking Vista....
 

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With the exception of "looking good" what else does vista offer that is truly useful to a user like me?

Speed is vital for me and an OS that slows down my pc is a no no. I am planning in doing my upgrade before Christmas. So my question is: Will buying and installing XP 64bit offer any advantages on a high end pc?

As for vista, I am truly scared to get it now. I shall wait for SP2 or SP3 or win 7 before committing.:confused:

Thank you all and hope you all have a very merry Christmas and new year!
 

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So my question is: Will buying and installing XP 64bit offer any advantages on a high end pc?

Yes, a friend of mine using XP 64 bit for his gaming machine. He plays all the games I play with similar performance except without directX 10. He picked XP before Vista SP1 came out; but will go Vista in his next built.:D

Good luck and enjoy!!! Nice Holidays!!!
 

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    4 x OCZ Platinum 1GB
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    2 x Barracuda 7200.10 320GB RAID 0 / 1 x 500GB Maxtor
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    Seasonic 600W M12
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    CM Centurion 5
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    air
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
With the exception of "looking good" what else does vista offer that is truly useful to a user like me?

Speed is vital for me and an OS that slows down my pc is a no no. I am planning in doing my upgrade before Christmas. So my question is: Will buying and installing XP 64bit offer any advantages on a high end pc?

As for vista, I am truly scared to get it now. I shall wait for SP2 or SP3 or win 7 before committing.:confused:

Thank you all and hope you all have a very merry Christmas and new year!


whatever happened to dual booting? isnt that supposed to be the best of both worlds or something like that? i dual boot with xp pro sp3 and vista x64 ultimate. it does everything i need it to do plus more :D
 

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    dual display
    PSU
    450w
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    HP pavillion brought back to life
    Internet Speed
    comcast :-\
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    Im not a noob....expect me to understand big words :D
With the exception of "looking good" what else does vista offer that is truly useful to a user like me?

Speed is vital for me and an OS that slows down my pc is a no no. I am planning in doing my upgrade before Christmas. So my question is: Will buying and installing XP 64bit offer any advantages on a high end pc?

As for vista, I am truly scared to get it now. I shall wait for SP2 or SP3 or win 7 before committing.:confused:

Thank you all and hope you all have a very merry Christmas and new year!


whatever happened to dual booting? isnt that supposed to be the best of both worlds or something like that? i dual boot with xp pro sp3 and vista x64 ultimate. it does everything i need it to do plus more :D
thats what i do is dual boot :) its nice to have xp to copy off your data when vista dies on me like it did last night
 

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    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
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    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10) 500gb Seagate SATA II 1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
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    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
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    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
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