do you believe the Earth is Flat ?

[sawdust44]

360 degrees from where I'm standing, 24 miles at each degree to the horizon, yep my world is flat.

 

[JMH]

Yes, there is a Flat Earth Society. I am not a member.

Apparently they believe the Earth is flat, and the photos showing the curvature are optical illusions.

Do you believe it is flat, a sphere, or a sphere flattened at the poles ?

Definitely, indisputably flat.:D
Proof -
1.fly at altitude, note the curved horizon but the surface is flat.
2.pictures from outer space show a round earth that is flat like a plate.
3.missing Earth people - obviously fallen of the edge of the flat earth.
QED
[I believe all I hear, see & read - when I want to! ]

 

[Martee]

As I said, believe in anything you like. But do not expect people to believe the theories of the creationists (which by the way seem to be only roaming in the US). Someone who tells me that the universe is 6 or 7 thousand years old should have his brain examined.

no... its much more the other way around..... anyone who tells me the earth is ANY older than that has no proof and is putting it all on flawed data.
and all the theory's that they have brought forth so far have been prove true something you can't say for evolution

Alright, so what the h*** were the Dinosaurs? The devils or what? Oh yeah, I know these creatures were dragons from baby's books. Btw, tell me where is, or show me this creator so I could believe you story.

 

[skunksmash]

no... its much more the other way around..... anyone who tells me the earth is ANY older than that has no proof and is putting it all on flawed data.
and all the theory's that they have brought forth so far have been prove true something you can't say for evolution

Alright, so what the h*** were the Dinosaurs? The devils or what? Oh yeah, I know these creatures were dragons from baby's books. Btw, tell me where is, or show me this creator so I could believe you story.

the universe is trillions of years old, far older than is believed considering the ''big bang'' theory has no been debunked with the introduction of ''electromagnetism'' into the gravitational construct we have for space...


its not young at all.....

 

[ronrontiu]

Our friend Pastor Jim thinks the Earth is flat too.

Also Pi=3

 

[z3r010]

Our friend Pastor Jim thinks the Earth is flat too.

Also Pi=3

WOW Pastor Jim really has some issues, very funny site though.

 

[whs]

This discussion is so funny. If I would not see it, I would not believe it. How can educated people forward such crazy ideas. I guess religion switches off the brain - as we can see every day in the world.

 

[thepizzaman]

This discussion is so funny. If I would not see it, I would not believe it. How can educated people forward such crazy ideas. I guess religion switches off the brain - as we can see every day in the world.

well... the same way scientists forward evolution....... and at least one religion has much more evidence that science has PROVED... unlike evolution which has none what so ever.

 

[smarteyeball]

true......... like.... evolution.... haha there are no facts for it yet everyone believes it.... haha

Yep. Logic, evidence and reality have no business getting in the way of a good story.

Creationism and 'intelligent design'. Now there's your truth and fact.

You know, the facts based on a book full of disjointed contradictions, fables and sheer fantasy that have undergone gone incalculable revisions through the ages. I for one believe everything I read and see on TV and am all the better for it. It saves me from having to think which is a huge relief.

Now, you must excuse me for I need to find some matches - I have a few witches tied to some stakes and I need to clear the backlog...

 

[JimJoe]

Theory in science means it isn't completely proven. It isn't an unproven hypothesis.

Theory, as used by those who fail to understand science investigations, see it as the way the word hypothesis is used in science. So the Theory of Evolution means it is mostly proven, but there is always doubt.

For example, Newton had some theories on the Universe. Then along came Einstein, whose General Theory of Relativity showed the flaws in Newton's theories. A religious text cannot disprove scientific theories. There is simply no common ground. Scientific theiries must be testable and repeatable in the lab.

Reglious claims as to how things work, are really non-scientific, untestable, and unrepeatable guesses/hypothesis.

This planet is slightly over 4 billion years old. This galaxy we are in is older.

The big bang thory has flaws, but it isn't a hypothesis. It is closer to a proven fact that many of the hypoethsis that have fallen by the way side. Like the steady state universe. which has been disproven. Also disproven is the hypthesis of 'turtles all the way down'.

'Creation Science' is an oxymoron. Its an attempt to make creationism into a scientific theory, which it can never be.

The Earth is a sphere, slightly flattened at the poles due to its spin. So the distance from South geographic pole to north geographic pole is slightly less than the distance through the Earth at the equator.

I have a joke button, designed to make fun of the Flat Earthers, I purchased at a science fiction convention some years ago. It says 'Member of the Flat Mars Society'.

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

I just have one question: if the great apes decided to evolve into humans, (as we're led to believe that evolution is a conscience decision on the part of the organism) why did they decide to stop and why are there no apes becoming men now?

The earth is round.

 

[whs]

I just have one question: if the great apes decided to evolve into humans, (as we're led to believe that evolution is a conscience decision on the part of the organism) why did they decide to stop and why are there no apes becoming men now?

The earth is round.

It is not quite that simple. For one, we are not descendents of the great apes but we have common ancestors. And as most products of evolution, we are a product of climate change or a catastrophic event. Think of the eradication of most life forms during the Perm or the disappearance of the dinosaurs due to a meteorite impact. Humans evolved because the forest in Africa gave way to savannah and live there required upright walking. But after all it took 5 million years to get us where we are now - and I sometimes wonder whether it was worth it.

 

[thepizzaman]

I just have one question: if the great apes decided to evolve into humans, (as we're led to believe that evolution is a conscience decision on the part of the organism) why did they decide to stop and why are there no apes becoming men now?

The earth is round.

It is not quite that simple. For one, we are not descendents of the great apes but we have common ancestors. And as most products of evolution, we are a product of climate change or a catastrophic event. Think of the eradication of most life forms during the Perm or the disappearance of the dinosaurs due to a meteorite impact. Humans evolved because the forest in Africa gave way to savannah and live there required upright walking. But after all it took 5 million years to get us where we are now - and I sometimes wonder whether it was worth it.

ok one problem with this that you cannot answer.
where are the in-between fossils that should exist if evolution is true?
oh wait.... they DON"T because it never happened
and if the dinosaurs were killed by a meteorite before humans existed...
when are there humans below the dinosaur fossils?
oh.... because they weren't killed by a meteor......

 

[JMH]

Yes, there is a Flat Earth Society. I am not a member.

Apparently they believe the Earth is flat, and the photos showing the curvature are optical illusions.

Do you believe it is flat, a sphere, or a sphere flattened at the poles ?[/QUOTE]



Has anyone else noticed how the discussion has gone off topic from the original question asked above????
I wonder who is playing the Devil's advocate......................& who isn't!!!

 

[Bare Foot Kid]

I just have one question: if the great apes decided to evolve into humans, (as we're led to believe that evolution is a conscience decision on the part of the organism) why did they decide to stop and why are there no apes becoming men now?

The earth is round.

It is not quite that simple. For one, we are not descendents of the great apes but we have common ancestors. And as most products of evolution, we are a product of climate change or a catastrophic event. Think of the eradication of most life forms during the Perm or the disappearance of the dinosaurs due to a meteorite impact. Humans evolved because the forest in Africa gave way to savannah and live there required upright walking. But after all it took 5 million years to get us where we are now - and I sometimes wonder whether it was worth it.

Oh ok, so you're telling me the apes decided (they applied reason where it didn't exist before) to become human so they could walk upright?

 

[thepizzaman]

I just have one question: if the great apes decided to evolve into humans, (as we're led to believe that evolution is a conscience decision on the part of the organism) why did they decide to stop and why are there no apes becoming men now?

The earth is round.

It is not quite that simple. For one, we are not descendents of the great apes but we have common ancestors. And as most products of evolution, we are a product of climate change or a catastrophic event. Think of the eradication of most life forms during the Perm or the disappearance of the dinosaurs due to a meteorite impact. Humans evolved because the forest in Africa gave way to savannah and live there required upright walking. But after all it took 5 million years to get us where we are now - and I sometimes wonder whether it was worth it.

Oh ok, so you're telling me the apes decided (they applied reason where it didn't exist before) to become human so they could walk upright?

yea thats what he is saying........ makes less sense doesn't it?

 

[JimJoe]

I just have one question: if the great apes decided to evolve into humans, (as we're led to believe that evolution is a conscience decision on the part of the organism) why did they decide to stop and why are there no apes becoming men now?

The earth is round.

It is not quite that simple. For one, we are not descendents of the great apes but we have common ancestors. And as most products of evolution, we are a product of climate change or a catastrophic event. Think of the eradication of most life forms during the Perm or the disappearance of the dinosaurs due to a meteorite impact. Humans evolved because the forest in Africa gave way to savannah and live there required upright walking. But after all it took 5 million years to get us where we are now - and I sometimes wonder whether it was worth it.

Oh ok, so you're telling me the apes decided (they applied reason where it didn't exist before) to become human so they could walk upright?

The apes didn't decide anything. We are not descended from apes.

All primates have a common ancestor. Some branches of the common ancestor learned to walk upright. Some didn't and stayed primates. For proto-humans, the spinal column shifted, along with a number of other physical changes. Then they slowly became proto-humans. Leading to Neanderthalers eventually. Another branch became Cro-Magnon. We modern humans are descended from the Cro-Magnon. The Cro-Magnon eventually invented the atl-atl, or spear thrower. They could kill game at a distance. The Neaderthaler spears were more of a stabbing weapon that increased their chances of injury and death during a hunt.

Some of the mammals that existed during and right after the dinosaur die off were small mouse-like mammals. Those are the ancestors to the pre- and proto-humans like Lucy, the skeleton that was found in the Olduvai Gorge. Lucy is the ancestor of humanity.

 

[JimJoe]

Yes, there is a Flat Earth Society. I am not a member.

Apparently they believe the Earth is flat, and the photos showing the curvature are optical illusions.

Do you believe it is flat, a sphere, or a sphere flattened at the poles ?[/QUOTE]



Has anyone else noticed how the discussion has gone off topic from the original question asked above????
I wonder who is playing the Devil's advocate......................& who isn't!!!

topic drift, no big deal.

 

[thepizzaman]

It is not quite that simple. For one, we are not descendents of the great apes but we have common ancestors. And as most products of evolution, we are a product of climate change or a catastrophic event. Think of the eradication of most life forms during the Perm or the disappearance of the dinosaurs due to a meteorite impact. Humans evolved because the forest in Africa gave way to savannah and live there required upright walking. But after all it took 5 million years to get us where we are now - and I sometimes wonder whether it was worth it.

Oh ok, so you're telling me the apes decided (they applied reason where it didn't exist before) to become human so they could walk upright?

The apes didn't decide anything. We are not descended from apes.

All primates have a common ancestor. Some branches of the common ancestor learned to walk upright. Some didn't and stayed primates. For proto-humans, the spinal column shifted, along with a number of other physical changes. Then they slowly became proto-humans. Leading to Neanderthalers eventually. Another branch became Cro-Magnon. We modern humans are descended from the Cro-Magnon. The Cro-Magnon eventually invented the atl-atl, or spear thrower. They could kill game at a distance. The Neaderthaler spears were more of a stabbing weapon that increased their chances of injury and death during a hunt.

Some of the mammals that existed during and right after the dinosaur die off were small mouse-like mammals. Those are the ancestors to the pre- and proto-humans like Lucy, the skeleton that was found in the Olduvai Gorge. Lucy is the ancestor of humanity.

um.... the lucy you are speaking of...... was decided to be nothing more than an gorilla. no a human-ape link. and as i previously asked where are the in-between fossils that would be required for this to happen? also..... if your saying it was fast mutations. there have never been positive mutations all of them have been negitive

"‘Lucy’ is the popular name given to the famous fossil skeleton found in 1974 in Ethiopia by American anthropologist Donald Johanson. To many people, Lucy is regarded as a certain link between ape-like creatures and man—thus supposedly proving evolution. But is Lucy really a pre-human ancestor?
According to Richard Leakey, who along with Johanson is probably the best-known fossil-anthropologist in the world, Lucy’s skull is so incomplete that most of it is ‘imagination made of plaster of paris’.1 Leakey even said in 1983 that no firm conclusion could be drawn about what species Lucy belonged to.
In reinforcement of the fact that Lucy is not a creature ‘in between’ ape and man, Dr Charles Oxnard, Professor of Anatomy and Human Biology at the University of Western Australia, said in 1987 of the australopithecines (the group to which Lucy is said to have belonged):

‘The various australopithecines are, indeed, more different from both African apes and humans in most features than these latter are from each other. Part of the basis of this acceptance has been the fact that even opposing investigators have found these large differences as they too, used techniques and research designs that were less biased by prior notions as to what the fossils might have been’.2
​

Oxnard’s firm conclusion? ‘The australopithecines are unique.’3
Neither Lucy nor any other australopithecine is therefore intermediate between humans and African apes. Nor are they similar enough to humans to be any sort of ancestor of ours.

Lucy and the australopithecines show nothing about human evolution, and should not be promoted as having any sort of ‘missing link’ status. The creationist alternative, that humans, apes and other creatures were created that way in the beginning, remains the only explanation consistent with all the evidence."

 

[mattinahat]

The Earth is round, however this is just my opinion.

I think people can believe in anything - as long as they do not try to impose that belief on others. Unfortunately it is the latter that gives cause for concern.

1. Can you just agree that you have different opinions.
2. You will never be able to convince each other.

1. Can be solved by just admitting that neither can be definitively proven and end this barn dance.
2. Can be solved by being accepting of the fact that neither of you will agree with the other person and this 'conversation' will just lead to bad sentiment among Vista Forums members.

I can only see this discussion turning into a slug match so I think it might be in everyone's best interest to see this thread closed.