comp freezing

[scissormetimbers]

ok new update, im running it with onboard video and it continues to freeze.

 

[Day24]

then overheating is probably the culprit

 

[johngalt]

If you are running with onboard video and no over clocking at all, then it is probably an over heating issue - but part of that is going to be lack of airflow as over time computer cases get clogged with dust and cannot move air through them as they could when new. That board will have the required heatsinks to run it at normal specs - but if you are running Vista on that thing it is going to over tax the video card as it will be trying to use a lot more resources from the video card than not.

One thing you can look at is the Antec.com - Cooling - it is very flexible and can be aimed anywhere.

however, it might be overheating due to an imminent failure in your motherboard too.

Also, ***do not touch the chips on the motherboard anymore*** - your fingers leave all sorts of oils and moisture and such and that can degrade the ICs over time.

 

[lakeswimmer]

When you buy something specially computer hardware have it tested or rather burn in. It is the usual thing done by computer technician before releasing the purchased item..

 

[z3r010]

Are you running the most current chipset drivers for your mobo?

Get the system to freeze, reboot it, check the event viewer for errors at the time of the crash then post them here.

 

[roy69]

Have you got any diag software that checks the temps?
If you have leave this running so you can see the temps.
When your computer freezes this will either confirm or deny the problem with overheating.

 

[scissormetimbers]

well i have 3 things on the front of my case and one tells the temp of the computer and its always at max. i always assumed it was broken though...

 

[Day24]

that temp meter tells you the temperature inside the case though, not of the CPU or the graphics processor. I have the same case, so I know what it should tell you. Mine is always at around 31 degrees celcius.
you can try speedfan: SpeedFan - Access temperature sensor in your computer
it can read out temperatures, if your hardware allows it. check it to see what the temperatures really are.

 

[scissormetimbers]

ok heres what i got, im not sure what this means tho

 

[Day24]

Is this WITH the graphics card, or with the onboard video enabled?

Cos the GPU seems ok....
it's the temp 1 and temp 2 which are OFF the charts!!!!
Not that I know what they are, must be north and or south bridges.

Which in turn would mean that you don't really need a new motherboard, you simply need to take care of cooling the chips already on there. I've read some things online about your motherboard, and have heard that some people have had some heat issues as well.

Also, do you have any additional fans in your case? I know that it comes with 2 already installed (at the back and at the top). But you could add two at the front, which is what I did. I also replaced the one in the back for a much larger one. It runs quieter, and displaces far more air.

Also, because of the small formfactor, your motherboard is in a strange housing. The airflow isn't ideal in that case for your motherboard.

Anyway....you need cooling on those chips!

 

[Fumz]

ok heres what i got, im not sure what this means tho

Oh wow. 127C is way WAY too hot for a 3200+.

K, lol... wow... Since this has always happened you have to make sure if your heatsink is attached properly. I mean 3200's idle in the mid to high 20's and load in the mid 30's to mid 40's. I'm not sure why you're freezing, because what should be happening is that your system should just shut down when cpu temps reach this high. The system should actually shut down when that cpu reaches 80C. That it's not is very odd. Make sure under the PC Health section in the bios you have automatic shutdown enabled, and then set the temp for 80C.

Second, I'd get something other than speedfan. Clearly, this version isn't working properly for you. It's reporting two cores at 127C, you only have 1. Try and find the CD that came with the motherboard, on it somewhere should be some temp monitoring software... smartguardian, hardware monitor, something to that effect. Install it and see what it says. If you can't find it, then get motherboard monitor (yeah they stopped updating it years ago, but it still works).

At 127C you're about 50C higher than AMD says is the max operating temp for that cpu. You could not have possibly been running that high for years, the entire time you've had the machine, and still have a functioning cpu.

Because of all the above, I find it difficult to believe you're actually at 127C. So, you need two things: other temp software, and to make sure the heatsink is attached properly. If there's a clip that's not fastened, you need to take a short course in heatsink installation and fasten it.

There's an assumption we've all been going on that is probably false: that the machine was built properly. Heat really looks like an issue, but why? The dust theory isn't right, because it happened from the moment you got the machine. The case airflow theory isn't right, because we've taken the side panel off and positioned a room fan directly at the board. We can also see that you're heatsink's fan is spinning, and by the rpm, it's annoyingly loud. So, that's leaving us with fewer and fewer options as to what the culprit may be.

 

[Day24]

Whow.....hold on there buddy. If you look closely, speedfan saysthat temp1 (the second one) is 40 celcius. It also says that core is 27 celcius. Both of those are the CPU. So it's definitely NOT the CPU overheating.

Actually, speedfan is working correctly, we just don't know what those two 127 celcius ones are. Like I said, it's probably the north and or southbridge. As his mobo has a combo of the onboard graphics with one of the two (north or south bridge) that should explain the two numbers both being at 127 degrees.

Besides, earlier the OP mentioned that the one chip he touched was really hot to the touch.

I'd first get a heatsink and fan for that chip (don't forget the thermal paste) and after that, check the temps again, as well as see how you're doing with the crashes.

And you will also want to get some more case fans.

 

[Day24]

Ok, try a different temperature monotoring software package, just to be sure. Here's another one:
CPUID
On the left hand side you can choose 32 or 64 bit version. It should also be a bit easier to understand the readouts....

 

[Fumz]

Whow.....hold on there buddy. If you look closely, speedfan saysthat temp1 (the second one) is 40 celcius. It also says that core is 27 celcius. Both of those are the CPU. So it's definitely NOT the CPU overheating.

Actually, speedfan is working correctly, we just don't know what those two 127 celcius ones are. Like I said, it's probably the north and or southbridge. As his mobo has a combo of the onboard graphics with one of the two (north or south bridge) that should explain the two numbers both being at 127 degrees.

Besides, earlier the OP mentioned that the one chip he touched was really hot to the touch.

I'd first get a heatsink and fan for that chip (don't forget the thermal paste) and after that, check the temps again, as well as see how you're doing with the crashes.

And you will also want to get some more case fans.

If speedfan is reporting temp 1 twice (3 times actually), and the values are not the same, then speedfan isn't working right, at least this version for him; that's not unprecedented.

We've already faced a room fan directly at the north and southbridge. If airflow was a problem and a room fan didn't resolve it, then I can't think of anything more you could do to improve airflow? A 200mm fan certainly pushes more air than an 80mm.

Fingers aren't good temp gauges. That his finger said it was hot doesn't tell us if it's hot or not. 40C, which is normal, is 104F, and that's going to feel "hot" to a human.

It's the northbridge which has the integrated graphics, and that already has a heatsink on it. Cooling it with the room fan only worked for a little while.

Not trying to argue with you here, just trying to work out this very odd problem.

 

[Day24]

No, I'm sure you could be right....which is why I suggested the other monitoring program as well. I've seen pics of the mobo though, and one large chip (think he even put a pic in this topic) does not have a heatsink on it. I've also linked to another forum, especially for users of this mobo, where people have reported overheating issues with the mobo, and either the north or the southbridge in particular.

Like you, I'm just trying to help....
as well as save the guy some money.
If he lived in the netherlands, I'd simply tell him to drive on over, as I have a spare socket 939 board....

 

[roy69]

You could try the ultamate in cooling, veg oil. Only joking dont do that, it is an engineering trick. Run the same program again but in the opposite config. I.e. if you ran this test with onboard gfx then run it with the seperate gfx card running.

Post your results and I will teach you how to burn your finger:D

 

[scissormetimbers]

Ok, try a different temperature monotoring software package, just to be sure. Here's another one:
CPUID
On the left hand side you can choose 32 or 64 bit version. It should also be a bit easier to understand the readouts....

ok i tried this one and here are my results:

EDIT: oh yeah and this is my event viewer right after a crash:

 

[Fumz]

How much do you have to put towards a new machine? If you have to rebuild, then upgrading might be something to consider? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that DDR2 rigs are incredibly cheap these days.

For instance:

Intel E4700 $119.00
Intel Core 2 Duo E4700 Processor HH80557PG0642M - 2.60GHz, 2MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, Allendale, Dual Core, OEM, Socket 775, Processor at TigerDirect.com

2GB OCZ Platinum DDR2-800 $51.99 - $30.00 rebate = $21.99
OCZ Platinum Revision-2 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 x 1024MB) OCZ2P800R22GK at TigerDirect.com

Abit IP35 $89.99
Abit IP35V Motherboard - Intel P35 Express, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0, Serial ATA, CMOS Switch at TigerDirect.com

No tax for you on the above items as they're from Tiger Direct.

$230.00, no taxes, to build a nice budget machine that will bring you up to date; that's not bad? This is just an example; I'm sure you can find better deals, but this quick build will run circles around the one you've got. By the time Christmas rolls around, you may have saved up enough for a 4850, and then you'll just be badass.

You can then donate that 939 to the Smithsonian.

 

[scissormetimbers]

ok i tried taking out the vid card and using onboard video and it worked for a bit but eventually it crashed and this is the image that showed up:

so this means the mobo is definitely at fault, correct?