Vista Ghost restore won't boot

kentiler

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Hi,

I have a machine with Vista 64-bit ultimate edition. I'm running raid 1+0, and started having a drive fail. Instead of just replacing that single drive, I figured I'd use this time to upgrade to larger drives.

I did a ghost image of all 4 partitions, swapped the drives out, rebooted with the ghost boot cd, and reloaded. It copied all the data to all partitions, but it won't boot.

I did have a boot helper installed - I think it may be EasyBCD - to help go between windows XP pro and Vista.

Anyway, when Ghost finished and I rebooted, I get the No OS found. I was thinking the boot partition may be messed up, but I'm not sure how to fix this.

I don't think I want to try a Vista repair from the boot DVD, but maybe that is what I have to do.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks!

--Kent
 

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Sounds like imaging error- a true image was not created- otherwise it would have been exactly like it was.

Either that, or there was an error reimaging the new drives:

If I understand this correctly, you used two drives in a stripped raid 0, and then used the other two drives to mirror (raid 1) the stripped (raid 0) drives?

What you need to do is access the BIOS RAID utility and see if it shows your hdd's in a raid 1+0 array, then insert your Vista dvd and restart>first go through steps as if you were going to reinstall, when you get to the installed partitions check to see if they are intact and correct.Cancel install, Then reboot into Advanced recovery utility and repair the Vista startup boot. if you upgraded all drives to a larger size then you will have to manually resize the partitions in Manage ultility after you are able to boot.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/194765-system-recovery-options.htmlhttp://www.vistax64.com/general-discussion/217839-vista-cant-restore-external.html

You can also use this free paragon partition software:http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/163304-dual-boot-using-free-partitioning-software.html
burn the iso to cd/dvd and boot off disk to see installed partitions
 
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Ghost did prompt me to resize the partitions before it loaded them. The BIOS calls the raid version 10. I'm not sure how it does it, but it does typically outperform raid 5, and I can still have one drive failure without losing data.

The issue with booting from the Vista DVD is I don't know if it will have the RAID drivers to recognize the partition. I've tried to create a new Vista DVD with vLite (I had great success with nLite and XP), but vLite keeps crashing on me.

--Kent
 

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    four 1TB Western Digital in Raid 10.
Further note-

I myself used Vista's imaging software utility to reinstall my image after I upgraded from two 100GB (RAID 0) drives to two 320GB (RAID 0). It was flawless (though I did have to extend the unpartitioned space)
In most of these, the drives MUST be setup exactly the same as it was when the image was created (i.e., cannot take and create Raid 0 image on single HDD, or single HDD image onto RAID drives, and they cannot be smaller in size than the original drive (s) that were imaged).
 

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I didn't know Vista had it's own imaging utility. Will it create a boot CD, and can it load from a network share?

I can put the old drives back in and try it that way if it keeps all the drivers the same.

Does it give you the ability to create partions on the fly with that util?

Thanks!

--Kent
 

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    Asus Xonar
    Hard Drives
    four 1TB Western Digital in Raid 10.
Ghost did prompt me to resize the partitions before it loaded them. The BIOS calls the raid version 10. I'm not sure how it does it, but it does typically outperform raid 5, and I can still have one drive failure without losing data.

The issue with booting from the Vista DVD is I don't know if it will have the RAID drivers to recognize the partition. I've tried to create a new Vista DVD with vLite (I had great success with nLite and XP), but vLite keeps crashing on me.

--Kent

you will have to install the RAID/SATA driver at disk boot or it will not see the HDD(s) I configured BIOS boot device to allow USB-KEY/USB-FDD (that way I can install the driver off a thumbdrive. Also you can use a USB Floppy drive.
 

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I didn't know Vista had it's own imaging utility. Will it create a boot CD, and can it load from a network share?

I can put the old drives back in and try it that way if it keeps all the drivers the same.

Does it give you the ability to create partions on the fly with that util?

Thanks!

--Kent

Create partitions prior to imaging with the partitioner software I linked above. (does not require SATA/RAID driver to view HDD)
Basic/Premium do not include the utility, if you have one of these use Paragon:Free Drive Backup Express - disk backup software
 

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Vista Complete pc Backup image utility must be loaded either from Advanced Recovery on the disk or through backup/restore Center
 

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Also unless you are running a Server with critical data RAID 10 is a waste of HDD.
Basically you are running what I am running a stripped array across two or more drives, and then creating a constant "mirror Image" of that RAID 0 drive with the other(s).

If your have an error/corruption in your RAID 0 array, that corruption is copied and mirrored in the RAID 1 array. So now you have Corruption on all (might be your problem).
A RAID 1 is ideal only for mirroring a hard drive-If it has a hardware failure you are still up and running on the good imaged HDD, BUT IF THERE IS CORRUPTION ALL DRIVES BECOME CORRUPTED.
To Image a RAID 0 with a RAID 1 will result in a non-bootable system if the RAID 0 becomes broken or corrupted- ACROSS ALL DRIVES because both arrays are identical.

You would be better off setting all your HDD's in a RAID 0 since that is essentially what you are doing anyways-leaving one out of the array (not just a partition, but an actual HDD), and using this HDD as a Data Backup Drive for Vista file backup Utility and/or creating a "static" drive image periodically to use for recovery; storing said backups on the HDD. (this would be better than using RAID 1 as it avoids imaging corruption/damage/errors of the mirrored array at the momment it occurs)
 
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Interesting. I had built this as a power workstation and utilitize it for video editing and soon to be purposed as a media server for 4 TVs. That's the reason I wanted the performance and redundancy of RAID 10. So you say take 2 drives and do raid 0, and then have 2 other drives standalone. Use them for backup or temporary use, right?

--Kent
 

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    four 1TB Western Digital in Raid 10.
Interesting. I had built this as a power workstation and utilitize it for video editing and soon to be purposed as a media server for 4 TVs. That's the reason I wanted the performance and redundancy of RAID 10. So you say take 2 drives and do raid 0, and then have 2 other drives standalone. Use them for backup or temporary use, right?

--Kent

RAID 10 is really only used for databases-


RAID 10 works by striping and mirroring your data across at least two disks. Mirroring, or RAID 1, means writing your data to two or more disks at the same time. Even if one disk fails completely, the mirror preserves the information. Striping, or RAID 0, means breaking your data up into chunks and writing the chunks to different disks in succession. It improves performance because the computer can get data off more than one disk simultaneously. (For the purists out there: RAID 0 technically isn’t a RAID level at all because it doesn’t provide any redundancy to protect information. However, it is commonly referred to as a RAID level anyway.)
Before we go on, here’s one important caveat about backup and RAID 1. Although data is written to two disks simultaneously, the data is not being backed up. Should your system, rather than the hard disk, suffer an error erroneous data could be sent to both disks at the same time, corrupting both drives simultaneously. You still must have a backup strategy in place, even if you use RAID 1. (For greater protection against data corruption, use a RAID level that includes a parity drive, but that’s a different story.)
Put RAID 1 and RAID 0 together and you get RAID 10. RAID 10 is secure because mirroring duplicates all your data. It’s fast because the data is striped across two or more disks, meaning chunks of data can be read and written to different disks simultaneously.
The drawback to RAID 10 is that it cuts your effective disk space in half. Since everything is mirrored (duplicated), two 60 GB disks give you a total system capacity of 60 GB. And remember, always use identical disks when creating a mirrored array. The disk geometry (number of heads, cylinders, etc.) is critical, and using disks that are different is discouraged in the strongest terms.


IMO
As long as you image the drive, and perform the weekly data file backups with the Vista backup utility there is no need for mirroring. RAID 1 is not a "backup", its only purpose is to mirror in case a HDD should suffer hardware failure.

if you have 4 drives and want the spanning of drives to make a large HDD for storage/performance... then just put 3 in a RAID 0, and leave the other alone- you can use it for backups/data storage. Putting all 4 in a RAID 0 array with a created partition defeats the purpose as if the array fails the partition is wiped out too.
Using two drives to mirror two drives in a raid 0 array is just wasting the other two drives that you could be using- because should anything happen to the RAID 0 array- other than hardware failure (corruption/virus, etc.,) the mirror array is destroyed also.

I suggest putting 3 in a RAID 0 array (that will give you two usable and seperate drives [C: Drive (Vista), and D: Drive (data)]. The advantage to having this as a seperate drive will allow you to back up through the Vista utility to it (as opposed to external drive or DVD's), you can store your Vista image on it, and anything else you want, and most importantly- If the array should fail it will not take the Data drive with it.

I myself run two 320GB 7200RPM HDD's in a RAID 0 for 640GB hard drive. I use an external 320GB 7200RPM drive (E: drive) for storage of my backups (complete PC backup and restore image, and backup of User files and folders through the Vista backup utilities, purchased software, movie backup). This is essentially what you would be doing only the drive would not be external. Now if you already have an external that serves this purpose, put all four of your drives in a RAID 0 if you want.
 
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    4GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHz
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    Realtek HD
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