I hate Vista please Help

aussiejovimum

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Hi all, newbie here, hope someone can help.

Got a laptop here that I was taking Norton off for someone, not too hard, used the norton uninstaller in the add/remove programs section, all good, rebooted the system, couldn't log back in. Had a global client error. I purchased a piece of hardware that allowed me to connect the laptop hard drive to another computer and view all the files.

On some advice received, I deleted all instances of the NTUser.dat file on the hard drive, re-installed it in the laptop and re-booted. Lo and behold the damm thing booted. Wonderful. Created the vista restore disks, just in case, coz they hadnt' been done by the owner, and while I was doing that, window's update downloaded and supposedly installed the service pack 1. On the re-boot we had a new error, "the user profile service could not be installed or something similar.

Did the same process again, deleted the ntuser.dat file, rebooted, nothing changed.
Could boot into safe mode tho, but couldn't fix anything to do with the damaged profile.

Followed a couple of the great tutorials found on here, only to find that the registry on this laptop, had nothing that looked like the SID keys you guys described, so decided to abandon that track for the moment.

found the tuturial about adding the administrator account that's hidden, followed that, hoping that with a 2nd account on the system I could backup and delete the user account that was causing me problems. However both account load incorrectly, giving me an error message about system profile or some such thing.

Rebooted the system out of safe mode, it loaded to the login screen, had both the Administrator and owners accounts up, logged in to the admin account to see if I could fix the other user account, delete it, back it up what ever. Couldn't do anything, manage other accounts gave me nothing at all, so decided to see if the owners account would login or not. Logged out of the admin account and the system basically crashed, rebooted it'self after quite some time with a black screen and lots of whirring, and now I come to my current dilemma.

It won't even make it to the user login screen anymore, I keep getting shunted straight into the system repair utility, which is failing everytime to do anything.

Going slightly nuts here, so any advice would be gratefully recieved.

I'm actually at the stage where I want to know how reliable the backup part of the system restore utility is, coz it's the only thing I can access.

I cant Use SFC command prompt from within the recovery setup as it tells me there is a system repair that needs to be rebooted first, and even when Ido that, it still won't let me run the command.

I think there is some serious vista issues here, but becuase I only have the recovery disks and not the actual program I cant even do a repair install.

J

another thought, is it possible to partition the c drive from the system recovery and intall vista on that? only has one hard drive being a laptop. Least that way i could access all the files properly and make sure it's backed up at least.
 

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What is the make and model of the laptop?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Compaq Presario/SR5113WM
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ 1.9Ghz
    Motherboard
    Asus M2N68-LA
    Memory
    PNY Optima Memory DDR2 2GB 2x1 kit
    Graphics card(s)
    PNY Nvidia 8400 GS 256MB
    Sound Card
    On board RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer X163W LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 160 GB SATA 3G (3.0Gb/sec) 7200 rpm Western Digital 160 GB IDE
    PSU
    Dynex 400w
    Case
    Nothin Special
    Cooling
    Stock
    Mouse
    Wireless Logitech LX7
    Keyboard
    Standard 102 key with volume and sleep buttons
    Internet Speed
    Comcrap 10mb cable
    Other Info
    Insignia 2.1 speakers, wireless Xbox 360 controller w/plug n play charger, Belkin wireless G + mimo usb network adapter.
You can use the recovery discs you made will reinstall the os to factory condition.
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Compaq Presario/SR5113WM
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ 1.9Ghz
    Motherboard
    Asus M2N68-LA
    Memory
    PNY Optima Memory DDR2 2GB 2x1 kit
    Graphics card(s)
    PNY Nvidia 8400 GS 256MB
    Sound Card
    On board RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer X163W LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 160 GB SATA 3G (3.0Gb/sec) 7200 rpm Western Digital 160 GB IDE
    PSU
    Dynex 400w
    Case
    Nothin Special
    Cooling
    Stock
    Mouse
    Wireless Logitech LX7
    Keyboard
    Standard 102 key with volume and sleep buttons
    Internet Speed
    Comcrap 10mb cable
    Other Info
    Insignia 2.1 speakers, wireless Xbox 360 controller w/plug n play charger, Belkin wireless G + mimo usb network adapter.
Yeah, but how do I backup the data on the disk first. This isn't my laptop, it's someone elses, and she's done no backups's, set no system restore points, and even the one I set last night when I got the darn thing to boot didn't show up when I tried to use it this morning.

I'd like to try and save her data if I can.

is the backup component of the system restore any good? does it get all the necessary files? I use an imaging program personally, but I can't even get that to work on this system, which tells me there's something majorly wrong with this drive. is it possible to get a full copy of vista from HP without having to pay extra for it, or is the recovery disk all you get.
 

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You can only get the recovery discs from hp. You can use the hardware you used to connect the drive to your computer and copy all the files and put onto a disc or dvd.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Compaq Presario/SR5113WM
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ 1.9Ghz
    Motherboard
    Asus M2N68-LA
    Memory
    PNY Optima Memory DDR2 2GB 2x1 kit
    Graphics card(s)
    PNY Nvidia 8400 GS 256MB
    Sound Card
    On board RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer X163W LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 160 GB SATA 3G (3.0Gb/sec) 7200 rpm Western Digital 160 GB IDE
    PSU
    Dynex 400w
    Case
    Nothin Special
    Cooling
    Stock
    Mouse
    Wireless Logitech LX7
    Keyboard
    Standard 102 key with volume and sleep buttons
    Internet Speed
    Comcrap 10mb cable
    Other Info
    Insignia 2.1 speakers, wireless Xbox 360 controller w/plug n play charger, Belkin wireless G + mimo usb network adapter.
ARgh, was afraid you were going to say that.

have backup running on my laptop with the other laptop drive hooked up, just hope I have enough hard drive space.

is there any other way to recover from this that you know of? I had the blasted thing up and running last night, no problem. it's gotta be something to do with the service pack installation. it said it would take an hour to do and the system would reboot several times, but it only took about 2 seconds and only rebooted once.

I wish microsoft would get all the bugs out of their operating systems before they release them. Shocking customer service. This poor woman has also lost all her pictures (again no backups gotta wonder at some people) coz vista corrupted them, and I'll be dammed if I can find them on the computer, even before this saga started.

J
 

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On some advice received, I deleted all instances of the NTUser.dat file on the hard drive, re-installed it in the laptop and re-booted.

Did the same process again, deleted the ntuser.dat file, rebooted, nothing changed.
Could boot into safe mode tho, but couldn't fix anything to do with the damaged profile.

Hi Aussie,

The ntuser.dat files contain the SID, registry values and the profile for every program and user including safe-mode...It wasnt a good idea to delete them because you basically just deleted the registry, security descriptors and a heap of other very important info for Vista, all the software and SID`s required for anything to function...even reinstalling doesnt help because it doesnt recreate every ntuser.dat file :eek:
If you still have that adapter just backup the entire laptop drive folders from the laptop to your desktop then completely format and reinstall Vista!!! because the only way you can make it stable and properly usable is a complete format & reinstall (do not install over the top of the current installation!!!)

After Vista is installed do SP1 first then drivers and programs, afterwards just manually move the documents, music, pictues and other folders making sure not to overwrite any newly created files from the old installation and you will be fine ;)
 

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On some advice received, I deleted all instances of the NTUser.dat file on the hard drive, re-installed it in the laptop and re-booted.

Did the same process again, deleted the ntuser.dat file, rebooted, nothing changed.
Could boot into safe mode tho, but couldn't fix anything to do with the damaged profile.

Hi Aussie,

The ntuser.dat files contain the SID, registry values and the profile for every program and user including safe-mode...It wasnt a good idea to delete them because you basically just deleted the registry, security descriptors and a heap of other very important info for Vista, all the software and SID`s required for anything to function...even reinstalling doesnt help because it doesnt recreate every ntuser.dat file :eek:

Damm, wish I'd known that beforehand. How come it booted okay the first time I did it then. I was told that it would force vista to create a new profile file, which is why I did it.

Even before I resorted to those extreme's tho, I had tried the deleting the profile key and even then they weren't the same big long sid numbers that the tutorial on here shows them to be. This was just after the system failed to reboot with the global user error.

I'm using the windows xp pro backup utility, will that get everything on the disk or will there be permission problems?

I have shadowprotect desktop as my backup program for my main system (for which I am very thankful) and it comes with a bootable disk. I'd like to try and get it to image the disk for me, but it keeps failing. I know from experience that if shadow protect backs it up it's backed up properly.

I've also done a backup from within the system restore utility right back when this first happened and I was feeling my way around vista (god bless XP, it's virtually faultless compared to vista and so much easier to use.) Is this backup reliable?

thanks heaps for putting up with all the silly questions, but I'm finding vista very un-user friendly and not at all intuitive

Also way back in the begining of all this when I first accessed the registry to try and delete the profile key as per your tutorial, I did a backup of the registry, Is there someway I could use that to restore the ntuser.dat information or not?
 

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The recovery disc will automatically reformat the drive aussie when you start the recovery operation.
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Compaq Presario/SR5113WM
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ 1.9Ghz
    Motherboard
    Asus M2N68-LA
    Memory
    PNY Optima Memory DDR2 2GB 2x1 kit
    Graphics card(s)
    PNY Nvidia 8400 GS 256MB
    Sound Card
    On board RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer X163W LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 160 GB SATA 3G (3.0Gb/sec) 7200 rpm Western Digital 160 GB IDE
    PSU
    Dynex 400w
    Case
    Nothin Special
    Cooling
    Stock
    Mouse
    Wireless Logitech LX7
    Keyboard
    Standard 102 key with volume and sleep buttons
    Internet Speed
    Comcrap 10mb cable
    Other Info
    Insignia 2.1 speakers, wireless Xbox 360 controller w/plug n play charger, Belkin wireless G + mimo usb network adapter.
Just waiting on the backup. Had to hook up my son's external hard drive to back it up on, coz there's not enough room left on my laptop hard drive.

So I can trust this backup of the entire drive to have saved everything then, how do I go about accessing the folders from the backup? Is there someway I can access individual folders and files, so I only restore what I need to put back and not all the other rubbish?

Shadowdesktop protect lets me mount the backup as another hard drive and take my pick as to what goes back and what doesn't. was very handy not very long ago either.
 

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Hello one question is the d drive showing low disk space, if so take a look you may have back ups stored there burn to disk, and delete them not recovery or mediaID bin, still trying to find out what that is. Make sure what drive back ups are being stored at.
 

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System One

  • CPU
    AMD Turion 64 x2
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce go 6150
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