Building your own PC

Bradforth

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I have always wanted to build my own PC from scratch, but I have always wondered about different hardware being compatible with each other. How do you know if hardware is compatible with each other and if a computer case can house the hardware correctly?

Thanks
Brad
 

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I have always wanted to build my own PC from scratch, but I have always wondered about different hardware being compatible with each other. How do you know if hardware is compatible with each other and if a computer case can house the hardware correctly?

Thanks
Brad

Hello Brad, and welcome to the Vista Forums!

Well, it is very difficult. Firstly, once you have specced up a PC, always create a new thread in Hardware with EXACTLY which components you have chosen, and someone will check it out for you, and tell you of problematic bits - things which are poor value (certain graphics cards, a £10 upgrade will give you a big boost in performance) - things you are wasting money on - eg a 1.2kW power supply for a media PC :) - bad components (like an SSD containing a bad controller, no names mentioned, (*cough* JMicron JMF602 *cough*)) - incompatible components (eg memory) etc. etc. There are people here who really know hardware.

Before you ask, it won't be me! I do not know hardware inside out! But some helpful person will - and btw, I always ask for assistance when I consider something hardwarey, as do a lot of senior members here. You will soon find that there is a very friendly atmosphere here, with a lot of friendly help, and a lot of backstage banter!

Anyway, self help techniques...

In terms of things fitting inside the case, there are two main things to check. Some graphics cards are now double height, and these may not fit into small cases/motherboards. Large CPU coolers are often wider than a small/medium case. Make sure that you check sizes (eg ATX motherboard or mini-ATX motherboard etc. etc.) and make sure that you are using a standard PSU size, etc. etc.

Always check brands and reviews. There are a VAST amount of dodgy brands out there. Don't be fooled by cheap PSUs. They only break, and take the entire computer with it. A good PSU won't die, or if it does, it will just turn off, rather than frying everything. Don't skimp on components. If you buy too cheap a PSU, everything goes wrong.

You honestly don't save much money, and must spend hours and hours diagnosing faulty components, BSoDs, sending things back to the manufacter (RMA) etc. etc. Make sure you are already proficient at debugging BSoDs and faulty hardware. Don't try to save money by self building. But the satisfaction and fun of self building is all there!

You live in the UK?? which means that you should be looking at scan.co.uk as your mega store for components. They are massive, and perfectly safe. May I suggest ScanSure? It is a cheap insurance from Scan against accidental damage during assembly (should you bend some pins or snap something, they will replace for free within 28 days no questions asked - I always take this option for peace of mind). Also, check out Scan's Today Only offers every day. The value in them is legendary!

In terms of thermal paste, Arctic Silver 5 is the way to go.

In terms of components, many don't work together! In particular, motherboard, CPU and RAM are mostly incompatible, and must be chosen like this: Firstly, choose a CPU manufacturer (Intel/AMD). Then choose a CPU. Find the socket type of that CPU, and find a motherboard with that socket type. Confirm that your chosen CPU features in your motherboard's compatible list. Buy RAM for that motherboard/CPU combo from something like Crucial. If you get this combo wrong, you are badly messed up! Any RAM will NOT do!

Oh, and although you will find that some are sceptical, just spend £5 and buy yourself an anti-static wristband. Just do it.

Always read many reviews of every product you consider. They will tell you that something is or isn't good, and if there is a £10 upgrade worth a lot more. Take time to read. Spend a good couple of days solidly reading reviews.

Now choose all of the rest (eg DVD drives/Blu Ray (Reader? Writer?), memory card reader, graphics card(s), PSU, Operating System etc. etc.

And above all, feel free to ask questions!

Richard

P.S. At first, it will seem impossible. It felt like that to me once. But if you keep reading, and keep persevering, suddenly you will be able to spec up a machine, and you will just know that it will work. But then post it to us, and we will tell you what you (and me when I do it) have missed. :)
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 420
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz
    Motherboard
    Stock Dell 0TP406
    Memory
    4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes)
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen
    Screen Resolution
    1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204
    Hard Drives
    1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device
    PSU
    Stock PSU - 375W
    Case
    Dell XPS 420
    Cooling
    Stock Fan
    Mouse
    Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up)
    Keyboard
    Dell Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    120 kb/s
    Other Info
    ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6)

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 420
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz
    Motherboard
    Stock Dell 0TP406
    Memory
    4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes)
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen
    Screen Resolution
    1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204
    Hard Drives
    1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device
    PSU
    Stock PSU - 375W
    Case
    Dell XPS 420
    Cooling
    Stock Fan
    Mouse
    Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up)
    Keyboard
    Dell Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    120 kb/s
    Other Info
    ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6)
P.S. At first, it will seem impossible. It felt like that to me once. But if you keep reading, and keep persevering, suddenly you will be able to spec up a machine, and you will just know that it will work. But then post it to us, and we will tell you what you (and me when I do it) have missed. :)

Haha that last bit was EXACTLY how I felt after reading that in-detail post ^.^ well I thank for you that its helped a lot ^.^ I might just buy a few few parts and upgrade my current PC to start off with. You know. Start off small before working up to actually building my own system :P

I will let you know how I get on in time first things first... Money lol XD Thanks once again :)
 

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Btw AS5 isnt great as you need 200hrs of cure time.

Tuniq tx-2 is the bomb!

Whats your current system? Some "old" systes can't take upgrades worth doing.
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    Dual L5639 // i7 950 @ 4.0Ghz
    Motherboard
    Evga SR-2 // Gigabyte x58a-ud3r
    Memory
    12Gig Corsair XMS3 // 6Gig OCZ Gold
    Graphics card(s)
    gtx 560 ti // gtx 260-216
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dual 22" // Headless
    Hard Drives
    OCZ aGILITY 3, 120Gig + Seagate 500Gig x 2
    PSU
    Silverstone da700 // Corsair 520hx
    Case
    Rosewill BlackHawk Ultra // Antec 900v1
    Cooling
    Twin CM Hyper 212+ // Noctua NH-u12
    Other Info
    Acer 8930 laptop with x9100...
Btw AS5 isnt great as you need 200hrs of cure time.

Tuniq tx-2 is the bomb!

Whats your current system? Some "old" systes can't take upgrades worth doing.

Thanks a lot for your input. I did mention that I am not particularly good at hardware! Someone mentioned AS5 to me once, and I never knew of that Tuniq stuff. Thanks a lot for your correction, gratefully received!

@Bradforth: PatonB is the expert here! Go down the Tuniq route!

Anyway, one of the most beneficial things you can do is to spec up a couple of computers which you do not plan to actually buy, as that will teach you loads and loads :)

This is very much open to debate, but if I were you, maybe try speccing up a reasonably high performance computer (something like 3.x GHz Quad Core) and see if it comes to somewhere near to £1000.

I can understand that maybe you want some practice first, and we can think about that later, but if you want, I am more than willing to help you to spec up machines you don't intend to purchase, and then I can get PatonB or someone to read my posts and correct any mistakes :)

Firstly, if you want to do this, I recommend searching Google and doing lots of reading on "How to choose a CPU" and "How to choose a PSU" etc. etc. This will not allow you to spec up a computer, however, it will give you a basic understanding of what not to skimp on, and basic connector types, and what features to look for.

After that, decide on a budget (it doesn't have to be real, just for the purposes of this first virtual specced up computer) I would suggest that it is probably easier to not try to spec up a more expensive computer, rather than trying to find everything as cheap as cheap can be.

Then, budget in mind, choose between Intel and AMD.

This will give you plenty to be getting on with, if you wish to do this. By the looks of things, you are very busy! Don't ever feel rushed, you can come back weeks down the line if that is convenient. Neither I nor this thread will disappear :)

Richard
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 420
    CPU
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.50GHz
    Motherboard
    Stock Dell 0TP406
    Memory
    4 gb (DDR2 800) 400MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 3870 (512 MBytes)
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 x Dell 2007FP and 1 x (old) Sonic flat screen
    Screen Resolution
    1600 x 1200 and 1280 x 1204
    Hard Drives
    1 x 640Gb (SATA 300) Western Digital: WDC WD6400AAKS-75A7B0 1 x 1Tb (SATA 600) Western Digital: Caviar Black, SATA 6GB/S, 64Mb cache, 8ms Western Digital: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 ATA Device
    PSU
    Stock PSU - 375W
    Case
    Dell XPS 420
    Cooling
    Stock Fan
    Mouse
    Advent Optical ADE-WG01 (colour change light up)
    Keyboard
    Dell Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    120 kb/s
    Other Info
    ASUS USB 3.0 5Gbps/SATA 6Gbps - PCI-Express Combo Controller Card (U3S6)
AS5 was the king, but that burn in has made it off. But it is still a good compound.

For 1000 pounds, a 2500k is possible..

As for a psu Amps on the 12V are as mportant as the Watts...
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    Dual L5639 // i7 950 @ 4.0Ghz
    Motherboard
    Evga SR-2 // Gigabyte x58a-ud3r
    Memory
    12Gig Corsair XMS3 // 6Gig OCZ Gold
    Graphics card(s)
    gtx 560 ti // gtx 260-216
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dual 22" // Headless
    Hard Drives
    OCZ aGILITY 3, 120Gig + Seagate 500Gig x 2
    PSU
    Silverstone da700 // Corsair 520hx
    Case
    Rosewill BlackHawk Ultra // Antec 900v1
    Cooling
    Twin CM Hyper 212+ // Noctua NH-u12
    Other Info
    Acer 8930 laptop with x9100...
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