O&O users: I have a question

Blackjaw

Blackjaw

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I am using O&O 10 pro. I have a fresh install of Vista x64 on a Raid 0 (2x150GB Raptors). I have run defrag in Space and Complete modes a few times now. Yet every time I run it I still have 50%+ fragmented files on my Raid. When I had Vista intalled on just one Raptor before, O&O would take it down to 0.3%. Is there something wrong? Or is this how O&O reads Raid 0, even after defragging? I have exhausted Google queries looking for an answer to this issue.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

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Is your paging file on this RAID 0? Try doing an offline defrag. It will do system and paging files properly.
 

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I believe it is, since I did not move it to my sensitive data storage drive. I will try offline defrag tonight. See if that helps.

I did a massive program reinstall since reformatting. I should have run defrag in between a few install batches.
 
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I have tried O&O and have numerous problems with them. Not on a RAID system though. Then I went and tried Diskeeper x64 and Perfectdisk x64. They seem to work much better in comparison to 0&0. Sorry this didn't answer your question but I thought maybe a few alternative might be worth your time.
 

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Yah, I had used O&O for almost a year on my previous Vista install, seemed to work on just one drive.

I did the offline defrag in O&O, after doing so, "check drive" found a chkdsk error. There wasn't an error before, but now there is after O&O just defragged the files it was supposed to optimize. Go figure.

Anyway, doing a trial of Perfect Disk right now. Seems to work better...at least it gives me peace of mind right now. Perfect Disk seems to leave a lot of chunks of free space, as opposed to a few large chunks. I thought it was supposed to optimize that?

Gonna try Diskeeper on next defrag run.
 

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Hi Blackjaw,
Diskeeper 2008 Pro and Pro Premier editions support RAID as well as Vista 64-bit. Please do download the free trial versions of Diskeeper (current build is 781) from the downloads section of our website http://www.diskeeper.com

If you wish to know a bit more about defragmenting RAID, these documents may be of help
http://files.diskeeper.com/pdf/FileFragmentation_SANsNASandRAID.pdf
and
http://downloads.diskeeper.com/pdf/new-storage-technologies.pdf

More information about Diskeeper can be found in the White Papers section.
Diskeeper Corporation Knowledge Center

Hope this helps:)

Best regards
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Representative
Diskeeper Corporation
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I used Diskeeper for years. Beta tested with them. I left them. I was not happy with the product. It was slow and not optimized very well. The algorithm did not do a great defrag. Perfect disk had issue with firewire drives. I found O&O was the best.
 

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Thanks for the replies.

I wish O&O still worked correctly on my current install, I like that program. But when I did the Vista CHKDSK sequence, O&O did not find errors. When I did the offline defrag in O&O, all of a sudden I have CHKDSK errors. Didn't bode well with me. Anyway, I may investigate this problem further when I have some time.

No worries here with firewire drives.

Eventually I will test Diskeeper.
 

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I would run chkdsk c: /r from dos prompt and reboot. I had the same issue. It was a hard drive going bad.
 

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    eVGA 8800 GTS 640 MB video card
    Hard Drives
    SAS RAID
I am actually working with a higher up at DisKeeper who has put me in touch with a developer to get a few issues that I experienced with DK to make it work better, as well as making sure it is compatible with 64bit versions of Vista.

When I get some new info I'll pass it along.

(Be sure to remind me if you haven't heard anything from me in a month or so....the dev is actually in China presently so we're at a standstill....)
 

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I hope I can get a couple of issues worked out (one being it had a major issue with external drives - when the drives would go idle a few minutes later it would start the drive up and start trying to defrag it - and lock the drive up. I have this verified by 3 independent people including myself, so it was not a fluke - because I used a home built drive (took a nice 60 GB 7200 rpm laptop drive and built my external out of it, and one friend of mine used an external WD and someone *he* knew had issues with an external Seagate....)

Of course there is the over riding issue of Vista x64 as well - I have too much vested in this install to FUBAR it.
 

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    eVGA X58 Classified 3 (141-GT-E770-A1)
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    3 * Mushkin 998981 Redline Enhanced triple channel DDR3 4 GB CL7 DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3-12800)
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    eVGA GeForce GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0 (04G-P4-3979-KB)
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    2 * Lenovo LT2323pwA Widescreeen
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    2 * 1920 x 1080
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    SanDisk Ultra SDSSDHII-960G-G25 960 GB SATA III SSD (System) Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 256GB SATA III SSD (User Tree) 2 * Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA II Mech. HD Seagate ST1500DL001-9VT15L Barracuda 7200.12 1.5 TB S
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    Thermaltake Black Widow TX TR2 850W 80+ Bronze Semi-Mod ATX
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    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (Black)
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    Logitech MX Master (shared)
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I have always liked DisKeeper better than PerfectDisk. But for some reason DK always crashes on a boot-time defrag. It's weird and many of my other friends had the same problem. That's why I switched to PerfectDisk. Haven't had an issue yet.

Anyone here had the same problem before? If you have a fix for that I'll switch back to DK in a minute.
 

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Thanks for that info - I'll be sure to pass it along as well.
 

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    Intel Core i7 965 EE @ 3.6 GHz
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    eVGA X58 Classified 3 (141-GT-E770-A1)
    Memory
    3 * Mushkin 998981 Redline Enhanced triple channel DDR3 4 GB CL7 DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3-12800)
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    eVGA GeForce GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0 (04G-P4-3979-KB)
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    Realtek HD Audio (onboard)
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    2 * Lenovo LT2323pwA Widescreeen
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    2 * 1920 x 1080
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    SanDisk Ultra SDSSDHII-960G-G25 960 GB SATA III SSD (System) Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 256GB SATA III SSD (User Tree) 2 * Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA II Mech. HD Seagate ST1500DL001-9VT15L Barracuda 7200.12 1.5 TB S
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    Thermaltake Black Widow TX TR2 850W 80+ Bronze Semi-Mod ATX
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    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (Black)
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    Corsair H100 (CPU, dual 140 mm fans on radiator) + Air (2 *
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    Logitech MX Master (shared)
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    Logitech G15 (gen 2)
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    AT&T Lightspeed Gigabit duplex
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    Sabayon Linux (current, weekly updates, 5.1.x kernel)
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    Lenovo ThinkPad E545
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    AMD A6-5350M APU
    Motherboard
    Lenovo
    Memory
    8 GB
    Sound Card
    Conextant 20671 SmartAudio HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Lenovo 15" Matte
    Screen Resolution
    1680 * 1050
    Hard Drives
    INTEL Cherryvill 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SSD
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    Lenovo
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    Lenovo
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    Lenovo
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    Logitech MX Master (shared) | Synaptics TouchPad
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    Lenovo
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    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex
Drubei said:
I have always liked DisKeeper better than PerfectDisk. But for some reason DK always crashes on a boot-time defrag. It's weird and many of my other friends had the same problem. That's why I switched to PerfectDisk. Haven't had an issue yet.

Anyone here had the same problem before? If you have a fix for that I'll switch back to DK in a minute.
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Hi Drubei,

I understand from your profile on the left that you are using X64 with SP1 applied.
Please upgrade to the current build -781- of Diskeeper 2008 if you haven't done so already.

Boot-time defrag has been currently disabled for build 781 on Vista SP1 systems due to some incompatibilities.

You can get the list of changes to 781 in the post on the Diskeeper blog here
The Diskeeper Blog: New Diskeeper 2008 Build (781)
especially
6. Boot-time defragmentation is disabled in Windows Vista SP1 and Windows 2008, due to a feature incompatibility on those operating systems / service packs. A correction in a future update will re-enable the feature.

I hope this helps. :)

Best regards
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Representative
Diskeeper Corporation
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DiskeeperRep said:
Drubei said:
I have always liked DisKeeper better than PerfectDisk. But for some reason DK always crashes on a boot-time defrag. It's weird and many of my other friends had the same problem. That's why I switched to PerfectDisk. Haven't had an issue yet.

Anyone here had the same problem before? If you have a fix for that I'll switch back to DK in a minute.
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Hi Drubei,

I understand from your profile on the left that you are using X64 with SP1 applied.
Please upgrade to the current build -781- of Diskeeper 2008 if you haven't done so already.

Boot-time defrag has been currently disabled for build 781 on Vista SP1 systems due to some incompatibilities.

You can get the list of changes to 781 in the post on the Diskeeper blog here
The Diskeeper Blog: New Diskeeper 2008 Build (781)
especially
6. Boot-time defragmentation is disabled in Windows Vista SP1 and Windows 2008, due to a feature incompatibility on those operating systems / service packs. A correction in a future update will re-enable the feature.

I hope this helps. :)

Best regards
---------------------
Representative
Diskeeper Corporation
---------------------
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Sorry to say, I won't ever use Diskeeper ever again, it messed up two harddrives recently to the point, I had to reformat them, ie the MFT was severly shrunk and there's nothing wrong with the drives. On top of this, IFAAST royally messed up drive performance, and slowed my drives down.

You wanna tell me again how Diskeeper is such a good program, when in fact it isn't after my seeing what it did to two of my harddrives.
 

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I worked with executive managers at Diskeeper. They made promises and did not deliver.
 

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    pair of Intel E5430 quad core 2.66 GHz Xeons
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    eVGA 8800 GTS 640 MB video card
    Hard Drives
    SAS RAID
Hmmm - interesting. I have been working with Derek and when the dev gets back form China we'll see how well it does....
 

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    Intel Core i7 965 EE @ 3.6 GHz
    Motherboard
    eVGA X58 Classified 3 (141-GT-E770-A1)
    Memory
    3 * Mushkin 998981 Redline Enhanced triple channel DDR3 4 GB CL7 DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3-12800)
    Graphics card(s)
    eVGA GeForce GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0 (04G-P4-3979-KB)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio (onboard)
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    2 * Lenovo LT2323pwA Widescreeen
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    2 * 1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SanDisk Ultra SDSSDHII-960G-G25 960 GB SATA III SSD (System) Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 256GB SATA III SSD (User Tree) 2 * Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA II Mech. HD Seagate ST1500DL001-9VT15L Barracuda 7200.12 1.5 TB S
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    Thermaltake Black Widow TX TR2 850W 80+ Bronze Semi-Mod ATX
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    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (Black)
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    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master (shared)
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    Logitech G15 (gen 2)
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    AT&T Lightspeed Gigabit duplex
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    Sabayon Linux (current, weekly updates, 5.1.x kernel)
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    AMD A6-5350M APU
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    Lenovo
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    8 GB
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    Conextant 20671 SmartAudio HD
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    Lenovo 15" Matte
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    INTEL Cherryvill 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SSD
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    Logitech MX Master (shared) | Synaptics TouchPad
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I bought a WD Raptor 36gb just for the pagefile in order to reduce defragmentation on C:, it works too.
 

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DiskeeperRep said:
Hi Drubei,

I understand from your profile on the left that you are using X64 with SP1 applied.
Please upgrade to the current build -781- of Diskeeper 2008 if you haven't done so already.

Boot-time defrag has been currently disabled for build 781 on Vista SP1 systems due to some incompatibilities.

You can get the list of changes to 781 in the post on the Diskeeper blog here
The Diskeeper Blog: New Diskeeper 2008 Build (781)
especially
6. Boot-time defragmentation is disabled in Windows Vista SP1 and Windows 2008, due to a feature incompatibility on those operating systems / service packs. A correction in a future update will re-enable the feature.

I hope this helps. :)

Best regards
---------------------
Representative
Diskeeper Corporation
---------------------
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Thank you for your response. I will upgrade and see how it goes. DK works great when I was on XP, just a few problems with Vista. Hope everything will be fix soon.
 

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