Auslogics Registry Defrag

Bare Foot Kid · Apr 22, 2008

Hello y'all,

I know that few of you bother with Restore Points.
It's something I play around with for the experience.
But I have found out through two reinstalls and more
BSODs than I can count that on "my" machine
SP1, Auslogics reg. defrag and System Restore just
don't play well together!

The only way I could get my system to not crash on boot
today was to start in safe, uninstall A.R.D. and restore
to the only point I had left.

I just thought I would give anyone interested a heads up!
I would like to hear from anyone about anything similar.

Later :shock:

Ted

joel406 · Apr 22, 2008

Bare Foot Kid. Your "Technophile Wannabe" staus is fadeing. You learn well. I have seen some of your postings and I admire your willingness to ask questions. You learned fast about ARD. I had no trouble with it when I tried it, but the NTFS file system really doesent need regisry cleaning or defraging.

Glad to hear your system didnt get totaly hosed.

Your smarter then even you think.

Bare Foot Kid · Apr 22, 2008

joel406 said:
Bare Foot Kid. Your "Technophile Wannabe" staus is fadeing. You learn well. I have seen some of your postings and I admire your willingness to ask questions. You learned fast about ARD. I had no trouble with it when I tried it, but the NTFS file system really doesent need regisry cleaning or defraging.

Glad to hear your system didnt get totaly hosed.

Your smarter then even you think.

Thank you, joel406.

Later :shock:

Ted

JaxMacFL · Apr 22, 2008

I use A.R.D. with vista business x64 sp1 with no problems. In fact I used it today. I've used versions 4.1.7.91 and the latest 4.1.9.96 since installing sp1. I know you were asking for input from people with similar experiences, but maybe A.R.D. isn't the culprit responsible, but only appears to be. Sorry to hear about your bad experiences nevertheless.

sidewinder · Apr 22, 2008

joel406 said:
...but the NTFS file system really doesent need regisry cleaning or defraging.

joel406,

What does NTFS have to do with whether or not a Windows Registry would need "cleaning"? NTFS is a file system and the Windows Registry is a database of settings and option for the OS and applications. They are independent of each other.

While NTFS has some self-healing properties, they do not extend to the Registry. The Registry does perform better with occasional "appropriate" cleaning and defragmenting. I feel that Auslogics is a little too aggressive in this regard. I prefer TuneUp Utilities 2008 for this task. It takes a more conservative approach to Registry cleaning and defragmenting.

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Bare Foot Kid · Apr 22, 2008

Hello JaxMacFL,

JaxMacFL said:
I use A.R.D. with vista business x64 sp1 with no problems. In fact I used it today. I've used versions 4.1.7.91 and the latest 4.1.9.96 since installing sp1. I know you were asking for input from people with similar experiences, but maybe A.R.D. isn't the culprit responsible, but only appears to be. Sorry to hear about your bad experiences nevertheless.

Thank you!
I am not sure of version numbers but I have had problems with both
the current version and the version before this one.
Are you running current "System Restore Points"?

Later :shock:

Ted

joel406 · Apr 22, 2008

No offense sidewinder. The registry in NTFS(modern)based sytems are usually not to prone to regisry bloat. Corruption usually manifest itself in the form of non responsive apps or a crashed system and usually a repair of the appropriate nature is in order to get things going again. Some times just repairing the app works as well.

I tried ARD a few times myself and I have a client who has to use it every other day to get his Vista basic system to defrost. As soon as he brings it to be to upgrage his RAM(from 512mb) and remove VHB for VHP he should'nt need it anymore.

joel406 · Apr 22, 2008

I apoligise.

sidewinder · Apr 22, 2008

joel406,

Again, the Registry and file system are separate entities. The fact that NTFS is the file system does nothing to reduce the need for Registry cleaning. The Windows Registry could sit on top a NTFS or FAT32 file system and there would be no difference in how the Registry would be managed by the OS and there would be no difference in how clean or dirty the Registries would get.

Having used NTFS file systems for years with XP and now Vista, I can say with certitude that both the XP and Vista Registries will need "cleaning" from time to time for optimal system performance.

NTFS = File System
FAT32 = File System
Registry = File(s) on file system

S-

sidewinder · Apr 22, 2008

Bare Foot Kid,

You posted your "heads up"....what more were you trying to accomplish?

By the way, threads morph all the time....it's a part of life.

S-

.Joe · Apr 22, 2008

Thread moved to software.

Dwarf · Apr 23, 2008

Hi Ted,

I also use ARD, and have had no problems with it, nor have I had any problems with restore points on the (rare) ocassions that I have to use it. The problem could be down to a number of factors, the main being that Auslogics, and even Microsoft themselves, cannot possibly test their software on every possible system configuration available. I suggest that you email Auslogics (link given below to the main contact page) with details of your suspected problem, and details of your machine, so that if there is a problem which has been overlooked by their developers a solution can be incorporated in a newer version of ARD.
Dwarf

Auslogics - Contact Us

Bare Foot Kid · Apr 23, 2008

Hello Dwarf,

Thank you for your reply.

Dwarf said:
Hi Ted,

I also use ARD, and have had no problems with it, nor have I had any problems with restore points on the (rare) ocassions that I have to use it. The problem could be down to a number of factors, the main being that Auslogics, and even Microsoft themselves, cannot possibly test their software on every possible system configuration available. I suggest that you email Auslogics (link given below to the main contact page) with details of your suspected problem, and details of your machine, so that if there is a problem which has been overlooked by their developers a solution can be incorporated in a newer version of ARD.
Dwarf

Auslogics - Contact Us

I did, I sent them an email about three weeks ago. The only reply I got from them
was to say they got my original email! I still have not heard back from them.
I have been experiencing problems with this since I installed SP1. See -> HERE

I do know that eventually one just has to accept the outcome and move on.
I just wanted to give it one more go; to see what others may have to say on this subject.

I do thank you and I will still be watching this thread.

Later :shock:

Ted

.Joe · Apr 23, 2008

Ted,

Thanks for posting the information about the program. I too had been experiencing some issues with my system after running it. One of my programs settings had been altered, and I thought it was something else, but after some testing, I narrowed it down to ARD. I've since uninstalled it from my system and removed the program from my short list. If the issues with ARD are resolved, I'll try testing it again.

Best of luck to you in the future.

JaxMacFL · Apr 23, 2008

Bare Foot Kid said:
Hello JaxMacFL,

Thank you!
I am not sure of version numbers but I have had problems with both
the current version and the version before this one.
Are you running current "System Restore"?

Later Ted

Yes, I am currently and have always ran the System Restore service with vista x64. I have scheduled system restore points for at least weekly and also when installing windows updates, games, apps, etc...

Regards,

Mac

johnwillyums · Apr 23, 2008

Hi. You've got me worried. I've been using Auslogic Disk Defrag and BoostSpeed for 6 months. So, before and after SP1.
I have had to do a system restore during that time (pre SP1) and it worked fine.
Are you telling me it's not necessary? I must be imagining the improved speeds etc.
Yours, John

JaxMacFL · Apr 23, 2008

Me personally, like sidewinder, I believe one needs to defrag the registry every once in awhile. According to how much you install and uninstall software. I defrag mine about once a month with ARD and have noticed no problems while reducing the registry's footprint by 10% - 20%. Then again I am constantly updating video drivers, trying new software and installing/uninstalling games and apps. What the originator of this thread, Ted, is advising is that ARD might cause some users problems after they install sp1. Problems that could might possible cause the user to have reinstall vista. Just a heads up. Remember windows has always been a finicky os to say the least. It can bsod for no apparent reason at all. Just onerousness. To answer your question John, yes I believe it is necessay and I would keep on using it unless you suspect ARD is causing os problems.

sidewinder · Apr 23, 2008

Bare Foot Kid said:
You know I was trying to be civilized about this and not say anything.

BUT! I would not come into the middle of one of your threads and pick a fight with someone. And I don't appreciate you doing it to me!

You can justify it all you want. It's still an asinine thing to do!
At least someone else was man enough to own up.

Later Ted

Ted,

Wow, dude, take a chill pill.....

First of all, it is not your thread. This is a open and public discussion forum and as soon as you post a thread, that thread becomes everyone's thread. You don't get to control it or manage it.

joel406 made some comments in this thread about the Registry, NTFS, and the need for cleaning that were incorrect. I explained why those comments were incorrect. The posts were absolutely related to the topic of the thread.

You talk about being a man......you might want to stop being a cry baby first.

I am amazed I actually have to deal with crap like this here.

S-

KingOfChaos · Apr 23, 2008

joel406 said:
No offense sidewinder. The registry in NTFS(modern)based sytems are usually not to prone to regisry bloat. Corruption usually manifest itself in the form of non responsive apps or a crashed system and usually a repair of the appropriate nature is in order to get things going again. Some times just repairing the app works as well.

I tried ARD a few times myself and I have a client who has to use it every other day to get his Vista basic system to defrost. As soon as he brings it to be to upgrage his RAM(from 512mb) and remove VHB for VHP he should'nt need it anymore.

The problem really being programs that do not remove the old registry entries when they're uninstalled. If you don't clean your registry, no matter what type of file system you're using, it's going to slow things down as Windows goes through each one to find a working registry key. The smaller your registry, the less time it takes Windows to find what it needs.

I have been using CCleaner for years, and all of my systems that use it have no issue whatsoever and run as well as they did when they were created.

JaxMacFL · Apr 23, 2008

KingOfChaos said:
The problem really being programs that do not remove the old registry entries when they're uninstalled. If you don't clean your registry, no matter what type of file system you're using, it's going to slow things down as Windows goes through each one to find a working registry key. The smaller your registry, the less time it takes Windows to find what it needs.

I have been using CCleaner for years, and all of my systems that use it have no issue whatsoever and run as well as they did when they were created.

I highly recommend and use CCleaner too, but it doesn't defrag. You ought to give A.R.D. a shot. You might be suprised at how much of a difference the registry footprint is after defrag.

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