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MattMJB0188

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I got a brand new PC last week and I was wondering is it possible to completely remove Vista 64 bit and install Windows 9X either 98SE or Millennium Edition? I'm just wondering if there is a way and NOT A VIRTUAL PC WAY. I want to load either 98SE or ME as the MAIN OS. My specs:

* Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
*Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor P8700 (2.53 GHz, 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
*4GB DDR2 System Memory
*500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
*1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
*16.0" diagonal High Definition Display (1920x1080p)
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP HDX 16t
    CPU
    ntel Core 2 Duo Processor @ 2.53 GHz 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz
    Memory
    4GB DDR2
    Graphics card(s)
    1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
    Sound Card
    IDT HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.0" diagonal High Definition Ultra BrightView Infinity Display
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
Hello Matt, and welcome to Vista Forums.

Since this is a new system, I would doubt that there would be any Windows 98SE or ME drivers available for any of your devices. :(
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung Odyssey G7 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2, 4TB Samsung 990 PRO PRO M.2, 8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s Download and 35 Mb/s Upload
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system, Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam, HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn, APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI, Galaxy S23 Plus phone
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy Y0F94AV
    CPU
    i7-7500U @ 2.70 GHz
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4-2133
    Sound Card
    Conexant ISST Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" UHD IPS touch
    Screen Resolution
    3480 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    512 GB M.2 SSD
Brink said:
Hello Matt, and welcome to Vista Forums.

Since this is a new system, I would doubt that there would be any Windows 98SE or ME drivers available for any of your devices. :(
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just to piggyback off of brink, your two biggest initial problems are your hard drive and graphics card (only you know what else is installed in the system. ie: card reader, webcam, etc.)

sata compatibility for windows wasn't added until xp sp2 (the technology wasn't there for 98se or me). as well, you can pretty much cancel out the fact the nvidia is going to have a 98se or me driver for your video card.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Garage PC
    CPU
    Intel Pentium E3300 @ 2.5GHz
    Motherboard
    BioStar G41-M7
    Memory
    A-Data PC2-6400 (2 X 2GB)
    Graphics card(s)
    Diamond Radeon HD 4650
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Mx705 (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    1152x864
    Hard Drives
    320 GB Hitachi - System Drive / 100 GB Maxtor - Diagnostic Application /
    PSU
    LOGISYS PS480E12 480W
    Case
    Generic Barebones Case
    Cooling
    Stock Intel HSF
    Mouse
    Logitech
    Keyboard
    Generic PS/2
    Internet Speed
    10 d / 1 u
OH ): it does have a memory card reader and webcam. So there is no way whatsoever??? I was only worried that 98se or ME couldn't do 4GB of ram.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP HDX 16t
    CPU
    ntel Core 2 Duo Processor @ 2.53 GHz 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz
    Memory
    4GB DDR2
    Graphics card(s)
    1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
    Sound Card
    IDT HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.0" diagonal High Definition Ultra BrightView Infinity Display
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
I would have to say no way other than in a virtual machine Matt. Sorry. :(
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung Odyssey G7 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2, 4TB Samsung 990 PRO PRO M.2, 8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s Download and 35 Mb/s Upload
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system, Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam, HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn, APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI, Galaxy S23 Plus phone
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy Y0F94AV
    CPU
    i7-7500U @ 2.70 GHz
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4-2133
    Sound Card
    Conexant ISST Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" UHD IPS touch
    Screen Resolution
    3480 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    512 GB M.2 SSD
Ok, well what exactly does SATA mean for the hard drive?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP HDX 16t
    CPU
    ntel Core 2 Duo Processor @ 2.53 GHz 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz
    Memory
    4GB DDR2
    Graphics card(s)
    1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
    Sound Card
    IDT HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.0" diagonal High Definition Ultra BrightView Infinity Display
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive

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My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Garage PC
    CPU
    Intel Pentium E3300 @ 2.5GHz
    Motherboard
    BioStar G41-M7
    Memory
    A-Data PC2-6400 (2 X 2GB)
    Graphics card(s)
    Diamond Radeon HD 4650
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Mx705 (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    1152x864
    Hard Drives
    320 GB Hitachi - System Drive / 100 GB Maxtor - Diagnostic Application /
    PSU
    LOGISYS PS480E12 480W
    Case
    Generic Barebones Case
    Cooling
    Stock Intel HSF
    Mouse
    Logitech
    Keyboard
    Generic PS/2
    Internet Speed
    10 d / 1 u
do you think win 98 or win ME will make full use of these expensive hardware?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Compaq
    CPU
    intel core 2 duo T 5550 @ 1.83 MHz
    Motherboard
    intel 965 chipset family
    Memory
    2 GB DDR 2 SD RAM @ 667 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    On board upto 358 MB RAM
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15"
    Hard Drives
    160 GB WDC
I don't care, I have always loved 98 and ME never had one problem with them and want to be able use them with today's technology.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP HDX 16t
    CPU
    ntel Core 2 Duo Processor @ 2.53 GHz 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz
    Memory
    4GB DDR2
    Graphics card(s)
    1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
    Sound Card
    IDT HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.0" diagonal High Definition Ultra BrightView Infinity Display
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
For what it is worth, if I were you I would stay with Vista but if you like the older Operating systems then stay with XP. Before you uninstall Vista or do anything, be sure that you can reinstall it with a back up disk. It would really be ashame to find out later that you ruined the system just because you did not have any back up operating system.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Home made
    CPU
    Intel i7 920 Broomfield-Not overclocked
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte X58-UD4P
    Memory
    12 Gig Corsair Dominator Triple Channel 1600 DDR3
    Graphics card(s)
    Sapphire 3870 X2 - Just the one now
    Sound Card
    Creative Blaster X-FI Titanium Optical to Yamaha Receiver
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Panasonic 50 inch Plasma via HDMI and used as just a Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Sata Seagate 750 Gig 32MB for the Vista 64 bit and second drive is Sata 300 Gig for extra storage.
    PSU
    Cooler Master 1000
    Case
    Antec 900 extra fans
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Hyper-N520
    Mouse
    MX 5000 Logitech
    Keyboard
    MX 5000 Logitech
    Internet Speed
    Cable 12MBPS
    Other Info
    LG GGW-H20 Blue Ray writer running with Cyberlink Ultra 9. Home Theater system through Yamaha 7.1 Receiver connected to 11 Def Tech speakers, including powered Def Tech 15 inch sub. What can I say I like movies! Not much of a gamer.
MattMJB0188 said:
I don't care, I have always loved 98 and ME never had one problem with them and want to be able use them with today's technology.
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Matt
Some ppl love change some dont but there are several good reason to at least think abt it. Aat some point 98 and me will not run on the current hardware and your learning curve to learn win 12 (or whatever) is going to be huge. Support for drivers is already gone ( try installing a USB, or firewire) and you will have a paperwieght. Im sure you aren't still trying to balance you check book by pencil and paper of add without a calculator so why not learn a new OS?

Ken
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron E 1405
    CPU
    [email protected]
    Memory
    4 gigs
    Graphics card(s)
    integrated intel 945
    Sound Card
    integrated
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    300 gig internal
    Internet Speed
    10 down 1.5 up
dinesh said:
do you think win 98 or win ME will make full use of these expensive hardware?
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Matt,

I do not think 98 or ME will even be able to use most or any of the hardware unless it was installed through a virtual computer. Even then it may be questionable if it will or not.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung Odyssey G7 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2, 4TB Samsung 990 PRO PRO M.2, 8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s Download and 35 Mb/s Upload
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system, Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam, HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn, APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI, Galaxy S23 Plus phone
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy Y0F94AV
    CPU
    i7-7500U @ 2.70 GHz
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4-2133
    Sound Card
    Conexant ISST Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" UHD IPS touch
    Screen Resolution
    3480 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    512 GB M.2 SSD
Another reason being that both the older systems are out of support so the question is do you know where or how to get all the security patches needed for them, plus there wont be anymore so that would leave you vulnerable.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Home
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy x360 Convertible 15-bq0xx
    CPU
    AMD A9 Stoney Ridge Technology
    Motherboard
    HP 8312 (Socket FP4)
    Memory
    8.00GB Dual-Channel Unknown (?-0-0-0)
    Graphics card(s)
    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz) 512MB ATI AMD Radeon R5
    Sound Card
    AMD High Definition Audio Device Realtek High Definition Aud
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor on AMD Radeon R5 Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    119GB SanDisk SD8SN8U-128G-1006 (SSD) 931GB Hitachi HGST HTS721010A9E630 (SATA
    Mouse
    Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse
    Keyboard
    Standard PS/2 Keyboard
    Internet Speed
    62.86Mbps down 18.19Mbps up
    Other Info
    EPSON78D0CF (XP-332 335 Series) (Default Printer)
MattMJB0188 said:
I don't care, I have always loved 98 and ME never had one problem with them and want to be able use them with today's technology.
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Install Linux. Then use old Windows apps under Wine.

If you have broadband then Mandriva comes on one CD. It does the basic install, then it gets whatever other programs you want from the internet. Very cool. The install CD recognizes most network chips on PCs.

If it doesn't work well, at least Mandriva is free. You can download and burn the install CD.

But before doing anything, make sure you can get back where you started.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion m9515y
    CPU
    Phenom X4 9850
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Some Radeon Cheapie with 512 MB Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    CRT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    750 GB SATA 3G 2 SIIG Superspeed docks w/WD Caviar Black Sata II or III
zigzag3143 said:
MattMJB0188 said:
I don't care, I have always loved 98 and ME never had one problem with them and want to be able use them with today's technology.
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Matt
Some ppl love change some dont but there are several good reason to at least think abt it. Aat some point 98 and me will not run on the current hardware and your learning curve to learn win 12 (or whatever) is going to be huge. Support for drivers is already gone ( try installing a USB, or firewire) and you will have a paperwieght. Im sure you aren't still trying to balance you check book by pencil and paper of add without a calculator so why not learn a new OS?

Ken
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Because Windows Vista is horrible nowhere as bas as it was when it first was released but uses way more resources than any other OS. And even MS knows how bad it was or they wouldn't be trying so hard to correct their mistake with Windows 7!!!
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP HDX 16t
    CPU
    ntel Core 2 Duo Processor @ 2.53 GHz 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz
    Memory
    4GB DDR2
    Graphics card(s)
    1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
    Sound Card
    IDT HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.0" diagonal High Definition Ultra BrightView Infinity Display
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
MattMJB0188 said:
Because Windows Vista is horrible nowhere as bas as it was when it first was released but uses way more resources than any other OS. And even MS knows how bad it was or they wouldn't be trying so hard to correct their mistake with Windows 7!!!
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Hello Matt,

It's the urban myth. Guess, none of us will persuade you to stay with Vista, but you should know that the computer with the specs like your one will run five operating systems like Vista at the same time without any problem, you will not notice any lag in performance with your machine.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Gateway P7805u FX
    CPU
    Intel Core2Duo T9600 2.80GHz 1066MHz FSB
    Motherboard
    Intel PM45
    Memory
    8GB 1066MHz DDR3
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce 9800M GTS 1GB DDR3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 17" WUXGA TFT
    Screen Resolution
    1920x 1200
    Hard Drives
    WD 2x500GB
    Case
    notebook
    Other Info
    BT/BD
I have Vista backup discs, don't have a copy of Windows XP but the smart thing would be to go in the route of XP since I could have a protected system with updates. Besides I don't even think I would get the best performance from 98/ME with my hardware. But I would still love to use it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP HDX 16t
    CPU
    ntel Core 2 Duo Processor @ 2.53 GHz 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz
    Memory
    4GB DDR2
    Graphics card(s)
    1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
    Sound Card
    IDT HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16.0" diagonal High Definition Ultra BrightView Infinity Display
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
So now you've got many reasons to choose Windows 7 instead of 98. :)
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Compaq
    CPU
    intel core 2 duo T 5550 @ 1.83 MHz
    Motherboard
    intel 965 chipset family
    Memory
    2 GB DDR 2 SD RAM @ 667 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    On board upto 358 MB RAM
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15"
    Hard Drives
    160 GB WDC
Win2K would be a good choice...definitely a step up from 98 or ME...
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    Intel Q6600
    Motherboard
    ASUS P5K MBoard.
    Memory
    4G OCZ PC2 8500 Platinum
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 8800GTS Vid Card
    Hard Drives
    500G Seagate SATA 200G Seagate SATA 100G WD Caviar SATA 80G WD Caviar IDE
    PSU
    OCZ Elite 800W PSU
    Case
    RaidMax Smilodon Case
    Other Info
    Lite-On dual layer DVD burner X 2 Dos 6.2;Win2K;XP; & Vista Ultimate 64Bit.
I wouldn't go back to WinME, even though for me it was a good OS and the computer has only just been retired.

Remember how everyone said that was a bad move on Microsoft's part when they brought it out, it was supposed to be the step up into the NTFS world just before XP, people called it all the names under the sun and said it's only redeeming feature was the introduction of System Restore. :p

They are now trying the same tactic over Vista :rolleyes:

I think the OP should try and persevere with Vista, he may be surprised and come to love it after getting through the learning curve, times move on and the machines coming along now need the advances of Vista and Windows 7 to appreciate how much more you can do now compared with the earlier models. ;)
 

My Computer

System One

  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Home
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy x360 Convertible 15-bq0xx
    CPU
    AMD A9 Stoney Ridge Technology
    Motherboard
    HP 8312 (Socket FP4)
    Memory
    8.00GB Dual-Channel Unknown (?-0-0-0)
    Graphics card(s)
    Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz) 512MB ATI AMD Radeon R5
    Sound Card
    AMD High Definition Audio Device Realtek High Definition Aud
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor on AMD Radeon R5 Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    119GB SanDisk SD8SN8U-128G-1006 (SSD) 931GB Hitachi HGST HTS721010A9E630 (SATA
    Mouse
    Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse
    Keyboard
    Standard PS/2 Keyboard
    Internet Speed
    62.86Mbps down 18.19Mbps up
    Other Info
    EPSON78D0CF (XP-332 335 Series) (Default Printer)
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