Advice on Custom PC

super_js · Jun 8, 2009

Hey guys,
I was wondering if anyone could help me here. I am going to attempt to build my own custom PC and know that you need the following components:

Motherboard
Case
PSU
CPU
GPU
Video Card
RAM
Audio card
DVD drive
Hard drive

I have decided on the Motherboard-Asus Rampage II Extreme and the Case- Thermaltake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA (Liquid Cooled).

Some of my questions which I hope you can answer are as followed:

Does the PSU come with the case? (Specifically the Tai-Chi)
Is the CPU and GPU with the motherboard? (Specifically the Rampage II)
Do I need extra fans for PSU, CPU and GPU if the case is liquid cooled?
Is the Video card the Graphics card?
Is the Audio card built into the motherboard? (Specifically the Rampage II)
Have I missed out anything (Parts or Any Useful Information)?
Thank You So Much
Super_JS

AstaLaVista · Jun 8, 2009

super_js said:
Some of my questions which I hope you can answer are as followed:

Does the PSU come with the case? (Specifically the Tai-Chi) ---------- Not according to the Specs on the Tt product webpage

Is the CPU and GPU with the motherboard? (Specifically the Rampage II) ---------- If you mean, do the CPU & GPU come with the Mobo? Not unless you purchase that mobo as a combo package (read: Mobo+CPU+GPU)

Do I need extra fans for PSU, CPU and GPU if the case is liquid cooled? ---------- I would say NO, the case seems to have a few fans of it own + the liquid cool system... you should be good to go even if you go Triple or Quad SLI

Is the Video card the Graphics card? ---------- Yes

Is the Audio card built into the motherboard? (Specifically the Rampage II) ---------- It looks like it does come with a SupremeFX X-Fi

Have I missed out anything (Parts or Any Useful Information)? ----- Well, you don't say what RAM, CPU or GPU you are looking to purchase. All I can tell you is make sure it is compatible with the Mobo

Thank You So Much
Super_JS

It appears that the Mobo uses the new Inter core so I won't be suggesting anything for you coz I know nothing about them... other will chime in later on though

thepizzaman · Jun 8, 2009

i would build a phenom II machine...... not an intel...... look at it and see what you think

super_js · Jun 9, 2009

Thanks for both of your replies AstaLaVista and thepizzaman. I'm thinking of getting 6GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600Mhz RAM(?) and I forgot that the processor that I am thinking of getting is the Intel i7 975 Extreme Edition

I hope you could spare me some more time by answering these questions:

What is the difference between an Inter core and a [FONT=&quot]phenom core?
Are Intel core's bad?
Would I be able to use the i7 with a phenom core?
Is the i7 processor an Intel core or is the Asus motherboard?
Would I need to change my motherboard then?
What what be the best alternative motherboard?
How would I go about choosing the PSU, GPU and CPU?
Where could I find what is compatible with my motherboard?

Thanks a lot guys.
Super_JS

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super_js · Jun 9, 2009

Repped both of you by the way.

thepizzaman · Jun 9, 2009

super_js said:
Thanks for both of your replies AstaLaVista and thepizzaman. I'm thinking of getting 6GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600Mhz RAM(?) and I forgot that the processor that I am thinking of getting is the Intel i7 975 Extreme Edition

I hope you could spare me some more time by answering these questions:

What is the difference between an Inter core and a [FONT=&quot]phenom core?
Are Intel core's bad?
Would I be able to use the i7 with a phenom core?
Is the i7 processor an Intel core or is the Asus motherboard?
Would I need to change my motherboard then?
What what be the best alternative motherboard?
How would I go about choosing the PSU, GPU and CPU?
Where could I find what is compatible with my motherboard?

Thanks a lot guys.
Super_JS

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ok first off...... the intel is not a bad core.... just over priced
the intel core has a little more cache but the price difference is huge a 975 is $1000 if i'm not mistaken while a phenom II 955 is $250
yes the i7 is a intel core not the mobo
yes.... but there is a really good mobo for the phenom II that takes ddr3 (an asus mobo)
this one would be best

Asus ASUS M4A79T Deluxe Motherboard
psu and gpu...... a 1000 watt psu is enough for all of it.... try to get a modualr cosair
gpu get two HD4890's or a HD4870x2
and it should list all the compatibiltys on the website you buy it from

i hope that answers your questions

oh the big difference is price...... but same performance for the most part

stoneys-nutz · Jun 9, 2009

Hello super_js,
Before you buy your motherboard it may be an idea to go here, (follow link), and see what sort of problems, and good results, other users are having with that type of board, now, im not saying that this board is good or bad, i wil leave that to you but i have found that a bit of research before hand pays off in the end, i have an asus board and am very pleased with it, very stable, check my system specs, i hope this has been of some help and not clouded the issue for you,

ASUSTeK Computer Inc.-Forum-

super_js · Jun 9, 2009

Thanks for your replies. I'm a bit strapped for time at the moment so will reply properly later. Could anyone suggest the best custom parts setup for an extreme gaming computer (Excluding Case) for a budget of £2000 to £2500 ($3500-$4100). By the way
if the parts are US then they probably would cost more even if the price was converted here in the UK

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Thanks a lot I just want to see your opinions because I'm not sure what parts I should get which should be high quality.

AstaLaVista · Jun 9, 2009

Unless you got money to burn, go for the latest and the greatest but, of course, if your money does not grow on trees, your best best if to choose the next step down for half the price (if not more) just because it doesn't have the "New smell".

If you don't know much about Liquid Cooling, I would stay away from it, more so if this is going to be your first build.

Part of what I did when building my rig was to go to a few different forums and checked what other gamers used and read between the lines as to what may be good for them may not be good for me, etc, etc. IN the end, you have to choose what you like the most.

thepizzaman · Jun 9, 2009

ok so here is what i would build........
Case: Coolermaster 932 HAF Cooler Master RC-932-KKN1-GP Cooler Master HAF 932 ATX Full Tower Black Case

PSU: Corsair 1000watt Modular Corsair Corsair CMPSU-1000HX 1000-Watt Power Supply

Mobo: Asus M4A79T Deluxe Motherboard Asus ASUS M4A79T Deluxe Motherboard

CPU: AMD Phenom II x4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2ghz Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops

Memory: Patriot PC16000 2000MHz 4GB DDR3
Patriot Memory PVS34G2000LLKNB Patriot PC16000 2000MHz 4GB DDR3 Dktp Mem 2x2048

GPU: ATI Readon HD4870x2 Sapphire Technology 100251SR Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 X2 Video Card

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda.... whatever size you think you will need
Disc Drive: Whatever you want.... a blue ray or just a dvd burner.... or both

and the OS of your choice

thats what i would build

super_js · Jun 10, 2009

Thanks everyone! That build would only cost me just over £1000 ($1600)!!! I could still bumb it up to £1500 ($2500) could anyone build upon thepizzamans parts, for example could you recommend a better GPU, CPU or even Mobo? Don't worry if you can't because I'll still be saving a ton on money.
Thank you all so much!
Super_JS

thepizzaman · Jun 10, 2009

hm.... theres not much you can to go any better

unless.... you wanna fork out a grand for a i7..... oh you could get four HD4890's on crossfire......... that would be really good

or a second HD4870x2.......... but all that wil be a crazy good build.....
oh get a second cpu cooler something you can oc with...... something like this......
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4348094&CatId=798
that phenomII can easily be pushed up to 4+ ghz.......

i hope you follow my adivce

AstaLaVista · Jun 10, 2009

I know nothing about AMD or ATI for that matter, I have always been an Intel/Nvidia kind of guy, although, I have no clue why... it just happened.

I have always thought of AMD as the Work Force Horse, whereas, Intel has always been the Thoroughbred horse

Here's a nice comparison... AnandTech: AMD's Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition

Remember the above benchmark? Well, here it is... Newegg.com - Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops

Here's the Intel Board as well, just for comparison purposes of course... Newegg.com - EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards

Sorry pizzaman, someone's got to play "Devils Advocate" here...

thepizzaman · Jun 10, 2009

:P that would be you....
hm..... i wonder what mobo they used....... looks like a cheap one by those scores.....
but still..... you'd save $50-100 by goin AMD
also..... as far as horses go..... the workhorse is the more reliable but the Thoroughbred is the one with issues....

thepizzaman · Jun 10, 2009

ok i have been reading.......... the i7 920 is faster.... but also gets up to 70c when overclocking it to 3.8 (YIKES THATS HOT!) while the P2 955 is still below 60c
so one runs cooler the other a little faster...... its your choice

but i've already stated mine

thepizzaman · Jun 11, 2009

oh the issue with the board you put up asta........ is i think he was going to go with ati for his graphics...

fadedrs · Jun 11, 2009

really good barebone site, they test and burnin before they ship it out.

desktops
Desktops from Barebonekit.net

fadedrs · Jun 11, 2009

really good site i have found for desktop barebone systems, they test and burnin before they ship

Desktops from Barebonekit.net

also a very good parts site that i use where i live.

Micro Center - Computers, Electronics, Computer Parts, Networking, Gaming, Software, and more!

sorry that it double posted did not mean to

super_js · Jun 11, 2009

Guys I want to thank eveyone for their suggestions especially thepizzaman and AstaLaVista This is what I'm hoping my custom build will include-please tell me if I have forgotten a part lol: CASE - Thermaltake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA (Liquid Cooled) Thermaltake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA Super Liquid Cooling Tower Case [VB5001SNA] from Overclock.co.uk - Overclocking, Performance Computer Hardware, PCs and Laptops £225 PSU - Corsair HX 1000W Corsair HX 1000W ATX Modular SLI Compliant Power Supply (CMPSU-1000HXUK) £182 Graphics Card - Gainward ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 "Golden Sample" 2048MB GDDR5 Gainward ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 "Golden Sample" 2048MB GDDR5 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express) - Retail £255 Hard Drive - WD Caviar Black 1 TB From £72 Optical drive - Pioneer BDR-203BK 8x BluRay-RW Pioneer BDR-203BK 8x BluRay-RW/DVD±RW Serial ATA Dual Layer Drive - OEM £170 CPU - Intel Core i7 920 D0 2.66Ghz @ 3.40Ghz Motherboard - Asus Rampage II Gene RAM - Patriot Viper 6GB 1600MHz Triple Channel DDR3 Heatsink - Noctua NH-C12P Top-Down CPU Heatpipe Heatsink with NF-P12 Fan Fans - Scythe Kaze Jyuni 1900RPM Slip Stream 120mm Fan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *OVERCLOCKED* Intel Core i7 920 D0 2.66Ghz @ 3.40Ghz / Asus Rampage II Gene mATX Intel X58 / Patriot Viper 6GB 1600MHz Triple Channel DDR3/ Noctua NH-C12P Bundle Bundle=£575 ______________________________________________________________________________________ TOTAL INCL VAT £1479 BTW I changed back to the i7 and Rampage because I found an awesome bundle from Overclockers UK. Thank you all so much!! Super_JS

super_js · Jun 11, 2009

That post is unreadable and I can't edit it for some reason, here it is again in a much better format: Guys I want to thank eveyone for their suggestions especially thepizzaman and AstaLaVista This is what I'm hoping my custom build will include-please tell me if I have forgotten a part lol: CASE - Thermaltake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA (Liquid Cooled) PSU - Corsair HX 1000W Graphics Card - Gainward ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 "Golden Sample" 2048MB GDDR5 Hard Drive - WD Caviar Black 1 TB Optical drive - Pioneer BDR-203BK 8x BluRay-RW CPU - Intel Core i7 920 D0 2.66Ghz @ 3.40Ghz Motherboard - Asus Rampage II Gene RAM - Patriot Viper 6GB 1600MHz Triple Channel DDR3 Heatsink - Noctua NH-C12P Top-Down CPU Heatpipe Heatsink with NF-P12 Fan Fans - Scythe Kaze Jyuni 1900RPM Slip Stream 120mm Fan In case your wondering the total price is £1479 ($2,453.19) The reason I changed back to the i7 and the rampage was because I found an amazing bundle on the CPU, Motherboard, Heatsink and Fans. Thank you all so much!!!! Super_JS

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