thank you dwarf for taking the time to try and help i tried f8 and that did not work either,but brink you came through for me again,i did have the recovery discs which i made when i first bought the computer microsoft advised to make the discs as a one time thing and i did what you said installed #1 disc in drive then restarted the computer and then just followed the on screen instructions, i would of replied sooner but have been busy reloading files and programs, i again thank you and appreciate the time and effort you put into the forums....patch41