AMD Phenom II hits 5GHz stable

See what a little nitrogen cooluing will do!

"A sneak peek given to the press by AMD, showcased their upcoming line of processors known as the "Phenom II".

The Phenom II are AMD's answer to Intel's newest chipset, the Core i7. Hoping to compete in the market with the Core i7 the Phenom II line of quad-core processors will be AM2+ compatible. The first two models to be released will have a clock speed that starts at 2.8GHz. However, one of the key bragging areas for AMD's line of Phenom processors is its overclockability.

AMD claims a 30-40% reduction in power consumption under full load thanks to their transition to a 45nm fab process. AMD has also stated that in addition to the 30-40% power consumption reduction that consumers can expect, they should also expect a 30-40% increase in performance over previous Phenom models.

In a demonstration, AMD displayed the overclocking power of the Phenom II X4, showing it hit 4GHz stable at 1.55v on air cooling with a temperature of 32?C. With water-cooling the CPU broke the 4GHz barrier with a 39?C temperature. For kicks and giggles the Phenom II was shown running stable at speeds higher than 5GHz on nitrogen cooling and even booted at speeds that were higher than 6GHz.

It's too early to say whether or not the Phenom II's can match the power of the i7's as we'll have to wait until benchmarks are released to do so, but the competition seems anything but idle. "

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Even if it can compete with the i7, people have been going with Intel for better performance for so long now, they're just going to keep going to Intel naturally now.

If it can compete though, it will make Intel release the newer versions of the i7 quicker.

I certainly hope AMD is able to put out something that will give Intel some incentive to continue to push the envelope, but I'm not sure that "overclockability" is something to be bragging about considering they're only playing catch up? 1GHz overclocks on air have been common place with Intel's for quite some time now.

Well all them overclocking results have been achieved on Intel easily for a long time. The professional teams always push them to 5.8GHz to bench with, so nothing new.

ok well i will definitely be happy with the new phenom IIs. I have always been a hardcore AMD fan and you may be forgetting the true key focus they go after. Although Intel has created the new I7s and trying to make the fastest and most powerful anything, AMD has always been about the people. the AVERAGE joe who wants a decent bang for your buck pc. I have been using an outdated A64 X2 4000+. it only runs at 2.1 GHz but it still has plenty of power to run my x64 vista setup even with my lame video card. So I can proudly say i will be purchasing a new Phenom II for my new setup and am going to squeeze all that i can out of it. (without having to spend twice the amount of cash i wouldve for a new set of hardware for the I7 chipset)

ooooo and p.s. AM2+ compatible. extremely important. the mobo i want is only like 80 bucks so i think i will luck out :D

hm and another thing to that........ Intel is wayyyyy overpriced why pay $100 more for a processor that is goin to die on me in a couple of years? when i can get a AMD that will last

I want some of what you two have been smoking. :D

The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser

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[H] Enthusiast - AMD Phenom II X4 Model 940 Black Edition Processor

As far as pricing goes, you can get a Core 2 Quad for ~ $190.00.
Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops

Not sure why anyone would want/need quads just yet, but I digress... pricing isn't a factor considering this little gem can kick the crap out of this $275.00 Phenom.

Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0GHz 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor - Processors - Desktops

Say... isn't that about $100.00 more?

I wouldn't say it "kicks the crap" out of the Phenom II. The benchmarks I posted in the other thread shows the Phenom II keeping up with the Q9550.

http://www.vistax64.com/general-discussion/198726-amd-back-game-2.html

either way im still going to get one solely for that fact that i just want one. i just happen to like AMD and im sure there are plenty of ppl out there who share my opinion.

Everlong, first off, hi. How have you been? :D Second, I would. I'm not sure how reputable the link you provided is either, because clock for clock Phenom gets it's posterior gently massaged by a size 11. [H] Enthusiast - AMD Phenom II X4 Model 940 Black Edition Processor

Misterwilkie, I'm sure there are. :D

Hi Fumz, I've been good thanks, yourself?

I dunno how reputable it is myself, it was the only proper benchmarking I could find of the Phenom II last night. Most likely a bit early as it had just been released.

Was looking at some more benchmarks on here AMD Phenom II X4 940 & 920 review - TechSpot and they do seem to be able to keep up with Intel's stuff now.

Fumz said:

I want some of what you two have been smoking. :D

The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser

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[H] Enthusiast - AMD Phenom II X4 Model 940 Black Edition Processor

As far as pricing goes, you can get a Core 2 Quad for ~ $190.00.
Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops

Not sure why anyone would want/need quads just yet, but I digress... pricing isn't a factor considering this little gem can kick the crap out of this $275.00 Phenom.

Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0GHz 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor - Processors - Desktops

Say... isn't that about $100.00 more?

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ok two things about this first.....
number one the stock speed of the intel you showed is.... what? with only 4mb of l2? this is 6mb of.... l3 :P and second what is the stock speed? 2.33? compared to what? 3.0? ok for an equal intel lets look at prices
ok lets look at the AMD
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Quad Core Processor HDZ940XCGIBOX - 3.00GHz, 6MB Cache, 1800MHz (3600 MTs) FSB, Deneb, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket AM2+, Unlocked Multiplier, Processor with Fan at TigerDirect.com
ok now the intel of equal speed (roughly)
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Processor BX80569QX9650A Bundle- 45nm, 3.00GHz, 12MB Cache, 1600MHz FSB, Yorkfield XE, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor, No Fan with FREE FarCry 2 at TigerDirect.com

Intel Core i7 940 Processor BX80601940 - 2.93GHz, 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8GTs QPI, HypreThreading, Quad-Core, Bloomfield, LGA 1366, Retail, Processor with Fan at TigerDirect.com
ok lets see a price difference of at least...... $200? up to $700? um i think i have made my point

thepizzaman said:

Fumz said:

I want some of what you two have been smoking. :D

The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser

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[H] Enthusiast - AMD Phenom II X4 Model 940 Black Edition Processor

As far as pricing goes, you can get a Core 2 Quad for ~ $190.00.
Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Processors - Desktops

Not sure why anyone would want/need quads just yet, but I digress... pricing isn't a factor considering this little gem can kick the crap out of this $275.00 Phenom.

Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0GHz 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor - Processors - Desktops

Say... isn't that about $100.00 more?

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ok two things about this first.....
number one the stock speed of the intel you showed is.... what? with only 4mb of l2? this is 6mb of.... l3 :P and second what is the stock speed? 2.33? compared to what? 3.0? ok for an equal intel lets look at prices
ok lets look at the AMD
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Quad Core Processor HDZ940XCGIBOX - 3.00GHz, 6MB Cache, 1800MHz (3600 MTs) FSB, Deneb, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket AM2+, Unlocked Multiplier, Processor with Fan at TigerDirect.com
ok now the intel of equal speed (roughly)
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Processor BX80569QX9650A Bundle- 45nm, 3.00GHz, 12MB Cache, 1600MHz FSB, Yorkfield XE, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor, No Fan with FREE FarCry 2 at TigerDirect.com

Intel Core i7 940 Processor BX80601940 - 2.93GHz, 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8GTs QPI, HypreThreading, Quad-Core, Bloomfield, LGA 1366, Retail, Processor with Fan at TigerDirect.com
ok lets see a price difference of at least...... $200? up to $700? um i think i have made my point

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You're failing to grasp one very simple point: Phenoms are not equal to Core 2's; thus, you don't need to get an Extreme just to outdo a Phenom (who buys those anyway?).

Clock for clock, since that's what you want to compare, Phenoms just can't compete, sorry. I think the link I provided, along with the quote from the link pretty much spells that out in great detail; complete with nice charts that are easy to decipher. Since that Core 2 I linked will easily hit 3.4-3.8GHz, it would be unwise to purchase a Phenom thinking it will provide better performance than the Core 2 line; if in fact performance is what you're looking for in a new core?

I think perhaps you're putting way too much stock into cpu cache? 2MB more here or there on the Phenom isn't going to do squat. The core is still a dog.

The Phenom II's were meant to compete with i7. Since they've failed utterly at this, the only point you've made is that you're an AMD fanboy. No harm in that... and I understand where you're coming from; I used to love AMD's, but that was when they were worth buying. Today, they aren't.

Everlong, I've been good, thanks. Been doing some traveling with the wife... San Diego, Seattle and Sonoma... just got back home last night.

the phenom easily hits 4 to 4.4

Sadly for AMD, that still isn't enough, but good luck with that.

Everlong18 said:

Hi Fumz, I've been good thanks, yourself?

I dunno how reputable it is myself, it was the only proper benchmarking I could find of the Phenom II last night. Most likely a bit early as it had just been released.

Was looking at some more benchmarks on here AMD Phenom II X4 940 & 920 review - TechSpot and they do seem to be able to keep up with Intel's stuff now.

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If you want some bang for your buck the Phenom II X4 940 is the go. Myself I prefer Intel.

Norm

E8400, still the best bang for the buck. AnandTech: AMD Phenom II X4 940 & 920: A True Return to Competition

Doesn't seem to do too bad in them benchmarks, just behind the Yorkfield and Wolfdale Core 2s really (and of course the i7s). It's good, in terms of an AMD processor.

o wait sorry i forgot.... intel doesn't have a true quad core......... its just four processors on one chip...... woops my bad..........

The i7 is a true quad core with hyper-threading, so 4 physical and 4 logical cores.