BSoD due Graphic demanding Games

Nightmare59 · Apr 10, 2013

Hello,

i decided to give this Forum a try since i'm nearly out of Ideas, what could be the Issue of my Bluescreens.

Here are some Facts about my Bluescreens.

1.
They just Occur when i play Cabal and Tera, not by other Games. The other Games i play on Pc dont need that good Graphics ( Metin2, Leauge of Legends, Heroes of Newerth etc ).
2.
Sometimes i have 9 Hours no Bluescreen but Sometimes after 5 Minutes Ingame + after Restart of Pc again Bluescreen after Not even 2 Minutes Inagme ( Record is 6 Times Bluescreen after 1~ Minute Ingame after Pc Restart cause of Bluescreen )
3.
3 Years ago Cabal De -> Bluescreens
1 Year ago Cabal Eu -> Bluescreens
Now i play P-Server and still Bluescreens
Tera i installed New, also Bluescreens
I stopped playing De after some Month, same to Eu, cause of Bluescreens.
4.
New Graphicdrivers are installed, all Programms i dont need are deleted, also there were Several New Installation of Windows in the last 3 Years.

I guess i forgot quite Something.

If u need any more Information say it and i will Add it.

Ah ya here is the File u want to have View attachment 27820 .

Hope u can help me find the Issue.

Best Regards,
Nightmare59

Patonb · Apr 10, 2013

Do you know how hot your gpu is getting?

D/l Furmark and run it for a while. It will load your video card to 100% and put it to it's limits.
FurMark: VGA Stress Test, Graphics Card and GPU Stability Test, Burn-in Test, OpenGL Benchmark and GPU Temperature | oZone3D.Net

Is this a prebuilt system or duid it get put together by you or a shop?
You know what power supply is in it? How many Watts?

Not gon na say I can solve your problem, but we can try.

Nightmare59 · Apr 11, 2013

Well, i runned the Programm u recommendet and maximum was 72° Celsius. I had that Amount after about 6k Frames but it didnt goed higher even at 10.000 Frames, at that Spot i stopped it then.

myimg.de - celsiusgraficcard81f8c.jpg

I buyed a new Power Supply just 2 Days ago since my Old was pretty Weak. Well it didnt fixed the Bluescreens through but my Pc is now a bit more quiet. This -> http://www.makant-europe.de/images/produktbilder/8707_800x600_2.jpg is my new. i buyed it at a Pc Shop after i told him what i need he sayed this one would be fine.

I builded this Pc myself, i buyed the Components after i looked that they would work just fine together. Well only by Graphic demanding Games there are the Problems, at no other Programms... .

Best Regards,
Nightmare59

Patonb · Apr 11, 2013

Well that was actually very good results btw, mids -70's abnd 43% fan is great.

Sorta means it might not be caused by the gpu.

I'd like you to now stress out the cpu using Intelburn test.
Download IntelBurnTest 2.54 Free - Stress your computer to find out how stable it is - Softpedia
It only needs to run max ram for 10 times

It'd also be best to test your memory with memtest86
Download IntelBurnTest 2.54 Free - Stress your computer to find out how stable it is - Softpedia
Use the one for usb key, says NEW beside it

You follow the instrucvtions and put it onto a usb drive, boot your computer too it and let it run for a few hours, over night if possible.

I['ve also asked someone to look over youyr dump files too.

richc46 · Apr 11, 2013

Welcome
In addition to what Patonb has said, you may want to update your driver. You have given us two Minidmp reports and they were consistent. They indicate a problem with a driver.
You can test to see if any new drivers are available
AMD Driver Autodetect

The specific problem given by your reports:
atikmpag.sys

nable to load image \SystemRoot\system32\DRIVERS\atikmpag.sys, Win32 error 0n2
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for atikmpag.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for atikmpag.sys
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for atikmdag.sys
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for atikmdag.sys

Nightmare59 · Apr 11, 2013

First i want to thank u for all ur Advice and Helping.

Now we come to the bad Things:

First to the Comment of richc46:
1. My Driver are newest since i downloaded them just some Days ago, also i did that Autodetect a While ago and there were still Bluescreens after. ( The Autodetect Driver Software says " Ur Drivers are newest ". )
2. The Crashfiles are always showing the same Programms u also see in the 2 I uploaded.

Now we come to some Questions and Problems with ur Advice Patonb:
1. When i run the CPU Test Software first the Upper Message Pops Up, and then it Autocorrect itself to 2047 but then the Errorwindow Below Opens. myimg.de - cputest6774d.jpg Since i dont use the Default Windows Adminaccount, it maybe this, so i will LogIn it and try it with the Original Admin Account.
2.

Patonb said:
It'd also be best to test your memory with memtest86
Download IntelBurnTest 2.54 Free - Stress your computer to find out how stable it is - Softpedia
Use the one for usb key, says NEW beside it

You follow the instrucvtions and put it onto a usb drive, boot your computer too it and let it run for a few hours, over night if possible.

Could u may explain this a little more especially the Red Marked Part, since i dont get that one since my Motherlanguage isnt English and im not so common with some Phrases. Sorry for that.

Best Regards,
Nightmare

richc46 · Apr 11, 2013

Did you make any changes before the problem started; new software etc?

Nightmare59 · Apr 11, 2013

No, the First time it occured was by playing Cabal 3 Years ago then 1 Year ago i played again again Bluescreens, now still. I reinstalled whole Windows multiple Times but it didnt Changed anything.

Patonb · Apr 11, 2013

No problem.

It means plug it in the usb port, turn on the computer.

Watch this youtube video... it'll show you how
[Tutorial] Memtest86 v4.20(USB Auto-Installer Version) - YouTube

The first error is because it defaults to too much ram for 32bit, so thats normal.

The second error is something else, but most likely UAC related. turn off UAC, thats the dumb pop ups that ask if you know a programs running, then run it again.

Nightmare59 · Apr 11, 2013

Patonb said:
The second error is something else, but most likely UAC related. turn off UAC, thats the dumb pop ups that ask if you know a programs running, then run it again.

Unfortunatly this didnt fixed it, the Problemmessage still appears. The strange thing is i can run it with 1024Mb without any Problems.

PS: I will Launch the Memory Test Tonight when i go to Bed or Tomorrow when im at work.

richc46 · Apr 11, 2013

The error code that was displayed on all of your dmp reports point to a driver problem. See if you get BSOD with a clean boot.
Troubleshoot Application Conflicts by Performing a Clean Startup - Windows 7 Help Forums

townsbg · Apr 12, 2013

If this issue has survived several OS reinstalls over the years I am suspicious about either your graphics card, your graphics card over heating, or your power supply. Since you performed a stress test and your temperature remained relatively low (for a graphics card) and you replaced your power supply I am leaning towards graphics card. It could also be your memory or an overloaded CPU. You can monitor your cpu's temperature with speedfan and stress test it with Prime95. If your CPU gets over 70 C stop the test. You can also test your memory with Memtest. If you have a desktop it should be relatively easy to replace your graphics card if that is the culprit.

Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool
SpeedFan - Download

Nightmare59 · Apr 13, 2013

Hello, after 2 Day now i got again an BSoD and i noticed something strange. The CPU Fan runned like Crazy ( I noticed it cause Pc goed loud ) then i goed with my Hand on the Fan and felt that it was quite High Heated. Then it goed lower but not even 5 Mins later i had BSoD. That all happened Yesterday.

Now to some other Things.
1.

Patonb said:
I'd like you to now stress out the cpu using Intelburn test.
Download IntelBurnTest 2.54 Free - Stress your computer to find out how stable it is - Softpedia
It only needs to run max ram for 10 times

Well it bugged when i run it with 2048,2047 etc till 2007MB. So i runned it then with 2007Mb and here u see that there was still about 300 - 500 RAM Free but well hope it still is correct. myimg.de - ramtestc3ca2.jpg

2. I think the CPU is the Problem, but the RAM also runned quite hot through the Test ( Around 60 - 75, just felt it with my bare Hand, it was as same / bit higher Heat then my GPU ). Is there any other Programm that is good for testing CPU, cause the programm townsbg sayed, is a bit Confusing and Overall it got a bad Interface ~_~.

3. Well i will now try the " Clean Startup " and hope, if the BSoD appears, it dont take Days ;P. ( But well alltime when u want soemhitng it dont come but when u dont need it, u get it intentionally ... )

If the Clean Startup dont work i will run the Memtest right after it.

Thanks for all ur Advice!

Best Regard,
Nightmare59

Patonb · Apr 13, 2013

Yha I agree, speedfan is horrible and designed for advanced use.

Download hwmonitor
HWMonitor - CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting

The burn test worked out fine... the extra memory is need to be left for windows so don't worry about it. As long as your computer went to 100% you're good.

I hate to say, but your computer is not failing your tests so it is starting to make me run out of ideas.

richc46 · Apr 13, 2013

Dont think its the computer. The mnidmp reports point to a driver.

Patonb · Apr 13, 2013

Unfortunately he has switched drivers, i think reinstalled windows etc, so it shouldn't have continued over the years.

townsbg · Apr 15, 2013

Nightmare59 said:
New Graphicdrivers are installed, all Programms i dont need are deleted, also there were Several New Installation of Windows in the last 3 Years.

Well he may currently have driver problems but according to the OP the problem has survived several OS reinstalls. Aren't some of the error codes cause by either drivers or hardware? Are there any hardware related drivers reported as affected?

Nightmare59 · Apr 16, 2013

Well here i am back, after 3 Days. Today i finally had the BSoD while Gaming.

So a Clean StartUp dont fix it but u guys can be right, it may be a Hardware Mistake and i guess if, its the CPU.
I downloaded HW Monitor and then it showed me this -> myimg.de - hardwaremonitor6bb58.jpg

I dunno exactly but someone told me 70° + for CPU isnt good. ( The Hw Monitor shows 84° Maximum )

After the Bluescreen i runned my little Bluescreenviewer and looked if its the same and Yes it is exactly the same.

Well i watched a bit over it, and saw this -> myimg.de - bluescreenadress92494.jpg
Doesn't that mean that the Issue is caused by some of my Hardware?

Well i didnt runned the Memtest yet, cause i would like to hear ur Opinion about the CPU first.

Best Regards,
Nightmare59

Patonb · Apr 16, 2013

Yes 70 is too much, but that's 70C, and you're running only 30C, so you're fine.

It'ds be very interesting to see if you could borrow a friends video card to see if it really is the card.

townsbg · Apr 16, 2013

Is that 70 C or F? What happens when you run prime95? That will max out your cpu without really involving your graphics.

HAL is the interface between the OS kernel and the hardware so, although I haven't seen a blue screen related to it, if that is the cause of your blue screens I suspect either very low level corruption or hardware. If the OS is corrupt at that level then you probably wouldn't be able to get windows to function at all. None the less I suggest that you back up your files and scan the hard drive for errors using the manufacturer's utilities.

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